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Well, I've been thinking about starting Eldar for awhile now, and started off by purchasing a cheap War Walker (I planned on two scatter lasers, but it only came with one and an EML) and then a friend of mine dumped a whole bunch of Rangers on me from when he was thinking about Eldar, before the latest codex. Now I'm sitting on ~16 rangers, two warlocks with swords, and that war walker. I don't know what to do with them, as I was planning on going jetbikes, but the more I look into Eldar, the more I'm starting to like everything else.

Looking at the list, Pathfinders seem to be the way to go, but are they any good anymore with Mech being the trend of 5th? Where should I go from here? I was thinking a Farseer so I at least had a tiny playable list (and that I really like them =P), but then what?
 

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Rangers and Pathfinders are good snipers, but I don't tend to use them myself. They don't cause that many casualties any more with how easy it is to get cover saves and pinning isn't as reliable as I'd like it to be. In an entirely mechanized list they don't really have much of a place since they're a stationary unit. Infiltration is nice and they can certainly be used to sit in cover and hold an objective with their +2 to cover saves so don't write them off entirely. If you do plan on taking them, it's definitely worthwhile to upgrade them to Pathfinders.

A Farseer is always a nice addition, they're the most versatile unit in our codex. Try getting one more Warlock too to give him a Seer Council. They're both very fun and incredibly powerful.
 

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Hmmm...
That makes 3 Ranger squads + 2 Warlocks (who count as Farseers) and the War Walker.
You will need antitank as well. Fire Dragons are first choice there. But they will need transport. You can choose between Serpent and Falcon. The former is preferred by many people (I think.), but I always go with the latter. I love the model for nostalgic reasons and of course the Pulsar + Scatter Laser;)
With so many rangers (static firepower) I would include a CC-unit for countercharges because the rangers will end up in meleé.

I can´t really tell which units you should purchase next because it depends on the style YOU want to play. I think the units above find a place in every army- be it mech, gunline or hybrid. Play some matches with your static gunline. I think you will notice, that you lack mobile firepower. Then you will have to decide if you go for mech or sth. else. But if you go for mech bear in mind that you have to drop all those rangers. If I were you, I wouldn´t like that. I like using my models;) Maybe not all 16 rangers but 5- 10 anyway. Mech is really famous now, but it wasn´t always and will not always be.
It´s up to you:) That´s why I like this hobby...
Ah! A second War Walker always helps;)
 

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Until their points go down, they are not really worth it.
 

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I've recently tried lists with and without Rangers. I didn't notice the difference when they were in my lists. At best, they picked off a couple of models. People just dont take small squads anymore.. and the ones that day, have super cover saves, and cloaks that make them invulnerable and indestructable and broken (being sarcastic of course).

Best bet is to leave 'em at home. 5 guys, 5 shots, wayyyy too many points. You can mathhammer it if you want... they don't make their points back in the end (unless you roll a lot of 6's).
 

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Hrm. I'll defiantly try them out as it at least gives me something to play Eldar wise. The style I was going for was something along the lines of jetbikes, but like I said, now I'm starting to appreciate everything more. One thing I don't like are Dire Avengers because I really hate their helmets, which is sad because guardians seem really lackluster. Storm guardians don't seem to bad tough with either a flamer/fusion gun, but I already play Sisters of Battle, though it's still totally different styles.
 

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thats too bad...Dire Avengers are your meat and potatoes.
 

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i dont agree with you eric, DA's arnt the potatoes and meat, they are the bread and butter! :),
if you dont like their helmets then convert them,
i noticed with pathfinders, everyone is scared of them, so although they dont pop out many shots, opponents focus alot of fire on them, trying to kill them unsuccessfully, allowing the rest of your DA/Guardian guns to get in their face, or let your other unit creep by unscaved,
 

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I know that about DA, it's hard to stay away from them just because they are just to damn good, hell I've been on the reciveing end of Bladestorm/Doom/Guided DA before and it's not pretty (though I avenged them with some AP1 fire xD). How are Storm Guardians? I've read mixed things about them, though they seem pretty straight forward.
 

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Look at the back part of the big rulebook for a great converted Eldar army. The guy uses Wood elf heads to make his storm guardians look badass. You could do the same for Dire Avengers. As for Rangers, my take is that as long as you know what you want from them their fine. Too many people take 5 for the hell of it and sit them somewhere in cover. Maybe they kill something, maybe they don't. In your case I think it would be cool to try an infiltrating army. Here's what I mean:
-Pathfinder troops
-Scorpions infiltrating
-More warwalkers for scout or flanking
-Warp Spiders Deepstrike or catch up
-A few transports with DA's and Fire Dragons catch up
Come to think of it I also have quite a few of those old ranger models, and scorpions, and spiders, but no warwalkers.

Good brainstorm.

PS: Does everyone remember how awesome the old Ranger specialist army was in the previous edition? Pathfinders could sit in impassible terrain. My friend used 20 in his army and everyone hated him for it.
 

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Yes altolac or whatever. They were BA.

I wish theyd bring back the craftworld eldar. Black guardians and those ranger rules are just too good. Crystal targeting matrix...mmm...
 

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The Infiltrating army sounds cool, I might give that try. Also, they don't really seem to fit in, but I've always kind of liked Wraithguard. How are they?
 

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The Infiltrating army sounds cool, I might give that try. Also, they don't really seem to fit in, but I've always kind of liked Wraithguard. How are they?
Incredibly tough; incredibly short range.
 

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I think I might get some, though they are pretty expensive. Put them in a Serpent with a Warlock and kill big things. The list I'm coming up with just seems different then all the other lists I see xD
 

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agreed, llike when i started eldar, it was kind of for Reapers, Hawks and wraithguard, yet they are costly, to my pockets, and the list, and i dont use them, I have found another way of playing eldar, alot more effective,

What im saying is they are cool units, but the way your ideas look differant than the other lists are that the other ways are more effective, but both ways are fun,
 

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I'm just going off of what I have, most of which was given to me. That being 2 Warlocks (usable as farseers), 15 rangers/pathfinders (all OOP models), and a War Walker with a Scatter Laser and EML (though he said it had two scatter lasers >.<). From here, I need anti-tank, while rending on a 5 is nice, it's hardly reliable for busting open a tank, which once I hit 1000 points, there will more then not be at least 2 (I can run 4 easily with WH). I have a plethora of options for this, but the most obvious are Fire Dragons. If I wanted to break the mold, I could go with Wraithgaurd or even Storm Guardians, both of which would use up another Warlock model (though I doubt they are as effecient). From there, I would need to make sure that my warwalker isn't lonely and get him some friends. After that I should easily be able to play 1000 points and can really start seeing what I would need to get next. Pathfinders not working out? Get SG/DAs. Need melee support? Banshees/Scorpions, ect.
 

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i would say DA's next, farseer, DA's, ranger squad, and a warwalker, thats 500 point list,
 

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Not really looking for 500 points because I can actually field a bit more then that right now seeing as rangers are expensive, it's moving up to 1000 points, which I find myself frequently playing with my group of freinds anyway. Orks, nids, Space Marines, CSM, and Necrons are what I usually wind up playing. I'll probably wind up getting Dire Avengers anyway, but they don't fill the AT/MC role that I will need. Fire Dragons/Wraithgaurd can do that with the FD being the most prominent choice, because they're cheap and good at it, though I've always liked the Wraithguard/lord models.

Figure a squad of DAs in a wave serpent with a farseer, a squad or two of rangers, a squad of FDs in a WS, 2 war walkers is about 1000 points. Possibly replacing some rangers with storm guardians.

Speaking of Stormguardians, can they be made from the normal guardians box or do you have to get the SG box?

Edit: What about the Battle Force? It doesn't seem like that much, but it does have a Wave Serpent and another Walker, which is ~$70 right there, as well as some DA. The guardians aren't that great, but how hard would it be to convert them to Storm Guardians or possibly Dire Avengers?
 
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