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Ummmmm,

I'm a bit of a noob, but... what does reinforced chitin look like? Is it off the carnifex sprue or do you have to use GS to make one? The GW site seems to represent it with some GS on a surface. It's zoomed in that I can't really tell on what body part so I don't have any context to apply it to.
 

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Reinforced Chiten could probably be modeled simply by thickening various parts of the Carnifex's armour. Given the lack of bits and specific instructions, you're pretty much free to choose how far you want to go with such modeling, though.
 

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Or model nothing at all and say its "harder", made of a stronger material.
I don't think that'd be easy to pass off - I know if I was up against a Tyranid opponent, I'd not allow something like that. It'd be very simliar to a Space Marine player trying to pass off Artificier Armour that looks exactly look Power Armour.
 

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If you don't have parts to do it, you could try painting with maybe a little darker color or something.

Or model nothing at all and say its "harder", made of a stronger material.
I think this would be fine as long as your opponent lets you and you tell him about it. At least everyone at my local hobby shop and my friends would let me do that and I'd be fine with letting my opponent do that; although, if you where entering a tourny then you'd probally have to model/paint it on.
 

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There are no modeling pieces for scuttlers...do you demand people to model those? Hell..I don't even clearly know what they are except they let me scout. My point is...certain things should be looked over and can easily be just let go. It's not like it would be trying to be passing a VC off for a Fleshborer.
 

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I remember reading the WYSIWYG rules a while back but I can't remember where. Here's what I remember of them:

Model must be official GW (or Citadel?) miniature
It can be an older style or converted but must closely represent the new style
All weapons must be modelled (ranged and CC)
All wargear that modifies statlines must be modelled (including armor saves)
Any wargear that indicates it must be modelled must be modelled
Grenades do not have to be modelled
Psychic powers do not have to be modelled

The reasons for the WYSIWYG rules is three-fold:
1. To allow your opponent to identify different models that have different stats.
2. To quickly identify weapons and armor for any model.
3. To make GW more money by making us buy bits not included with the model.
 

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There are no modeling pieces for scuttlers...do you demand people to model those?
No, because that's something that takes effect at the beginning of the game and can be quickly forgotten with no repercussions. Much like how Infiltration is - the very fact that you are deploying an infiltrating unit tells me that they have Infiltration. Scuttlers is similar - when deploying the unit, mention that the unit will be Scuttling shortly. Once the first round begins, I don't have to worry about remembering that the unit had Scuttlers, much like how you don't care that my Marines just infiltrated.

The problem is that the +1 wound is something that can easily be forgotten over the course of a few heated turns. It's not my job to remember what every single upgrade your list has - it's your job to model it appropriately so that I can look at it and know the important ones, just as it is my job to do the same for you.

What happens if you have two Carnifexes with the same load out, but you could only afford the +1 wound upgrade once? How am I supposd to tell which one has the extra wound? Am I just supposed to ask every time I go to shoot a Carnifex? What if you forget as well? This is a scenario that happens quite often.

I don't mean to sound elitist or anything, but it's just good sportsmanship. Anything that helps make the game go smoother and easier should be considered.
 

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i gotta say caluin thats a very good point, but the problem is some peopel are nit-pickers and say that well thats not a GW model blah blah blah (one of my friends loves modelling orks and stuff but some jerk at my club will never play him because he says that the models are'nt GW minatures etc.)

but still it really comon sense on part of your opponnent and yourself, ask yourself would you know if that unit had an extra wound because of how its modeled.
 

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I'm not entirely sure, but you could use GS to bulk up the armour plating and make it look as though some of the plates have fused together. I'm not a GS user myself, so I've got no idea how hard that would be.
 

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Well, I switched from other putties to GW greenstuff, and i must say that it's amazingly easy to work with. Now, it's expensive stuff. But well worth it for detailed jobs. If you don't worry too much about detail, go to any modelling/art shop and buy a cheaper putty, especially as a filler. I save my precious GS for the coolest models and finest details.

Now, anyone refusing to play b/c the models are not real GW models... is he really worth playing with? if he is sooo dumb and elitist, then just ignore him. My friends and I continuously proxy models. we know each other's lists more or less, and when in doubt, we just ask and answer and annotate anything difficult to remember. (Which is not that difficult at all)

that way we don't have to spend thousands of bucks, specially since some of us have a much larger income than the others (we're already working, whereas the others aren't yet) and we can all enjoy a game we love.

I understand that you can't do that on a tournament. It's their shop and business after all, but in casual play, even with strangers... I'm not afraid of what the other player can do, whichever his models are, as long as the points are similar (well, not much). One pencil, some paper and some memory can deal with tracking the details.
 

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Lleu said:
There are two GW examples on their website in the Carnifex Conversion article. Both use extra plastic bits so if you're not confident using green stuff then one of these might be an option for you.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/carnifex-conversions/2/
Last conversion, called the Scuttle-Basher.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/carnifex-conversions/3/
Again, the last conversion, this one called the Death Beetle.

Happy converting!
Ok go to the http://uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/carnifex-conversions/2/
Last conversion, called the Scuttle-Basher. one and scroll to the very bottem when you see that last 'fex go to the middle upper pic just above the 'fex and thats what iam guessing what it shoud be like. And if thats not it...ask your store,.
 

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This is my bro's technique for making carnifexes and it shows off the tougness +1, the save +1, and the wound +1.........glue a giant carapace piece to the front body of the carnifex.


really the way to solve all the problems of what has what is to print out an army list before going to the hobby store so you don;t spend so much time figuring out points.


I think some things should be overlooked still.....artificer armor could be difficult (though I would represent it by taking some more decorational bits and glueing them onto to the body....the termi sprue gives bunches of these decorations to use.)

and countless chaos upgrades for the HQs are a pain to do. (how can I tell it has demonic flight?)

And scuttle is still a problem.....my bro just adds a bit more grass and shrubs to the base of his genestealers to represent it.

in tourneys you have to abide by their rules...no changing that but playing a casual game or even a tournament at your GW shop shouldn;t lead to "what unit has what"....just print an army list.
 

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but scuttlers dont need to be shown on the model. even GWs homepage cant even giva a decent conversion idea. and that something that dont hav eeffect after the first turn anyway so..
 
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