[Herald of Huanchi]

Firstly, an observation than has been niggling me for a while. All Chaos Walkers have Powerfists. Either I'm missing something or this is worse than a dreadnought close combat weapon. On the subject of walkers, the helbrute seems... a bit dull as it has no acces to the vehicle armoury.

That out of the way, my friend has produced a list he wants to try out for fits and giggles. And it houses the bane of my existance:

Screamers of Tzeentch.

Or to be precise, 3*9 of the buggers.

So If anyone has any advice on beating the speedy, vehicle-sploding, Termie eating, death of a thousand bites, I'd apreciate it. So far I figure that Nurgle may be the best counter(and nicely fluffy to boot!) Along with Thousand Sons oddly enough, as their invun helps block the Screamers' AP2.

I'm still a little stumped however as I struggle with four on a regular basis and now theirs twenty seven... Blargh

Thanks in advance,
The gibbering wreck, sobbing in the corner.

 

[Col. Dracus]

Why not shoot them? T4 with a 5++ should not be that hard to shoot down. Sure it's a lot of wounds but he is throwing 675 points into those 3 units. I might suggest Noise Marines, with their high volume of fire and higher initiative they should be able to force the wounds out before they can do too much damage back to you. Any kind of flame template will help as well, the more hits you can put on them the better.

 

[thenewKhan]

Lots of anything will work, they can only take so much before going down. As for sure fire ways to drop them? Don't really have one.

 

[experiment 626]

Sonic Blasters & Template weapons make a huge mess of Screamers. Remove their cover save, (which they'll most certainly have thanks to being unit type 'Jetbike), and now they're just nothing scarier than T4/5++ dudes who don't shoot back.

Like all Daemons, the secret is to just throw the basics at them. let them eat bolters, heavy bolters, autoguns, flamers, sonic blasters and other S4/low ap weaponry.
They only become dangerous and difficult to remove when you foolishly throw high strength stuff at them like krak rockets & lascannons, since you can't insta-gib them due to their Eternal Warrior rule.

Save your ap3 and better stuff for those Daemonic units that have the Ironhide gift and/or the MC's.

 

[Riptor]

This seems like a problem that can be solved by lots and lots of cultists.

 

[Kantoken]

Firstly, an observation than has been niggling me for a while. All Chaos Walkers have Powerfists. Either I'm missing something or this is worse than a dreadnought close combat weapon.

Yeah, I guess you do miss something: the powerfist is the new Dreadnought close combat weapon. Monstrous creatures and Walkers hit with their Initiative value with powerfists, rather than at Initiative 1. So you still have double strength and hit at Initiative 4 with the Helbrute. Hope this takes the "niggling" away

 

[Herald of Huanchi]

Sooo we had the match. I lost but not as badly as i expected. A quick Summary/rundown:

First, the lists.

Daemons

Herald of Tzeentch on a chariot jetbike thing with Bolt and gaze

2*5 Horrors
1*4Flamers
3*9 Screamers.
He also mentioned he will never be fielding this list ever again. Hooray!

CSM
Nurgle Lord on Palaquin with Black mace and Burning Brand

20 CSM with 2 Flamers, extra CCWs (keeping their Bolters) MoS and Icon of excess. <---This unit is the only real tailoring I did for the list after listening to you guys.
20 Cultists

7 Plague marrines with 2 Melta <--Lord here
5 Raptors with 2 Meltas, Combi melta and Gift (These two units are copy pasted from a different list as I really like them normally.)

Warlor traits had 0 effect on the game.
Mission was the relic one.

For the first 2 turns, nthing happened. I moved up and ran towards the relic. 2 units of screamers, the herald and 1 unit of Horrors came down Turn 1. (The horrors fell off the table. First blood to me!) Turn 2 saw the other Horrors come down. Everything hid out of, either range, or line of sight.

Turn three saw me grab the relic with my cultists, pass it back a guy and drop it an inch to get it out of the lava we accidnetly placed slap bang in the middle of the board. (Incidently that lava was aparrantley some flavour of red jelly as no-one was singed by it all game.) His final Screamers come down along with his flamers, causing his other Screamers to come out of hiding. But my Slannesh Marines being completely surrounded by a barrier of the other units must have made him a little scared as no charges were called, instead he turboboosted after flaming a cultist and a couple of Plague Marines(being just out of range for any real damage)

Turn Four was where the real battle begun. My Cultist ran through the lava forming a much sturdier barrier between my Marines and the Screamers. The Plagues took the rear right to protect from the third screamers and took some shots at the Flamers to try and whittle them down before they can cause any real damage with their flames. I kill 1. All other shooting (including the S5 Combi Bolter of my Gifted Rapto Champ ) knocks 1 unit of Screamers down to 3 Mantas. The relic is now in the hands of a Slanneshi man.

Flames kill about four(I think?) Slannesh Men and Two Plagues. FNP is my friend. The three man screamers declare against my Plague, soaking up the over watch before a nine man Screamers charges as well. (The three man actually failed their charge as well) The other Nine Manta unit charges the cultists.

Assault sees My Lord Hit himself in the face with his Mace but still manages a wound (The ensuing Toughness tests kill 2 mantas) before the sheer amount of Str5 Ap2 attacks melts the unit all at once. The cultists meanwhile never stood a chance.

Turn Five: The Slanneshi Marines bring the pain, Flaming and Pistol shots taking revenge on the cultist killing Mantas reducing them to just three left. They then charge and cause enough wounds to kill 4.5 wound worth of Mantas wiping 1 off the board, just 2 to go. The Raptors attempt to wall off my scoring Slanneshis but fail.
Flamers do what they do before declaring a charge to soak up Overwatch. The Seven man and three Mantas charge too. I kill 2 Mantas before exploding horribley.

Turn Six. My only remaining unit, the three man Raptors, (having taken glanceing hits from the Flamers earlier) go for the moral vic tory and retreat towards my board edge but fail to make it. They are then burned alive by Flamers. I'm Tabled.

The Relic had been my only hope for a win. Combined with my already taking first blood earlier(Deep strike mishap) and his mistake of keeping his horrors out of the battle meant his only chance was to kill me to a man, and he succeeded. My hatred for Screamers grows as my brain wracks itself for a unit that could reliably counter the buggers.

The only unit that comes to mind is allying in 30 Orks with the Mad Doc for a horde of unfeeling Orks, or fight fire with fire and ally in some Screamers of my own...(NO NEVER I REFUSE)... or Maybe a Great Unclean One... interesting.

Edit: Also I should probably add that while being the hardest fight I ever been to, it was actually a lot of fun. I do want revenge though. Tzeentch, why!! You were my fave God! Now Khorne and Nurgle will fight for your place.

And Slannesh too I guess...

 

[KarlFranz]

slight issue with ur list. the lord can only take one artifact, so would have to drop either the burning brand or the black mace

 

[Kantoken]

The horrors fell off the table. First blood to me!

Unfortunately, units/models killed by means of Mishaps, Perils of the Warp or any other means in which the enemy wasn't the source of the damage, do not count towards victory points.

 

[Herald of Huanchi]

Unfortunately, units/models killed by means of Mishaps, Perils of the Warp or any other means in which the enemy wasn't the source of the damage, do not count towards victory points.

Even for mission 2, where its basically kill points?

[MENTION=21230]Karl franz[/MENTION]: If its any consolation, the Burning Brand didn't do anything anyway. And as I said, he hit himself in the face with the Mace. Points well spent there...

 

[Kantoken]

Even for mission 2, where its basically kill points?

Good question. I'd say yes, as that mission concentrates on taking out the enemy wholesale. But I'm not sure.

 

[CrownAxe]

Unfortunately, units/models killed by means of Mishaps, Perils of the Warp or any other means in which the enemy wasn't the source of the damage, do not count towards victory points.

Can't find this in the book. What's the page number?

 

[Kaiser]

slight issue with ur list. the lord can only take one artifact, so would have to drop either the burning brand or the black mace

Slight clarification, he can take more, but he may only replace one weapon with an artefact - thus he's free to replace a weapon, then pick up a scroll of magnus or dimensional key as these do not replace any weapons, but it is not possible too give him the mace and the flamer as they're two weapon replacements.

 

[Kantoken]

Can't find this in the book. What's the page number?

Strange, I could have sworn that they FAQ'ed this. Now I can't find it either.

Anyone else know if this was FAQ'ed and where?