Space Wolves (1500pts)

Errr I hate to tell you this Chemicalcaveman, but you need to re format it, its impossible to read.

[edit] cool, right, firstly you haven't said what the IC's are (wolf lord, wolf priest etc).

Anyway, on to the list:

Most of it is good, you could do with some form of heavy support, I Suggest using a venerable dreadnaught as your second HQ as they are just so versatile. A unit of long fangs might be a good idea as well, even though they are a bit pricey they aren't a bad unit.

I would give the BC units a wolf guard just to give them a bit more of an edge, maybe give them rhinos (you would have to make the squad 9 strong).


The grey hunters are good, you may not need to give them the CCW even though they have true grit, either way they are a good solid core.

I feel assault cannons are better on the wolf guard than a heavy flamer, it give you a bit more firepower and your CC abilities don't suffer.

Hope this helps.

Here comes the advice of Wulfbanes:

Ok, first off,
Hell yeah! Finaly, Wolf armies which hoard the enemy, realy nice. Compliments on that.
Than, the pointers:
1. Wolf Scout units can be of 4 to 6, so you will need to split in TWO units, or your squad is illegal. Also, Melta Bombs make scouts too pricey, and you will be better off with some tricky heavy fire-power.
2. You know, as clear as we and more importantly, your opponents can see, that you do not have long range shooting power. As with the CC power of the wolves you do not need this, but it would sure be an advantage to blow up things which can really hurt you. Two ways to do this: 1. Get a Venerable Dreadnought. Great guys, but since you aren't mechanised, will be shot down first/second turn, effectively not making it very worthwhile. 2. Long Fangs, this is infantry, with WOUNDS, which can take bullets before dying. I suggest dropping this unit:

10 Grey Hunters Pack 215
True Grit Bolter and Weapon
Power Fist
Power Weapon
Meltagun

and some piece of equipment of another unit.

And get yourself

218
1 Long fang Pack Leader and 4 Long Fangs w/
2 Missile Launchers, 2 Lascannons

This will get you some really effective long range fire support, to eliminate all threats coming your way.
Stick this unit togheter with the remaining Grey Hunter unit in the rear of your army, and shoot everything up. *note, the Grey Hunter unit with this job would be better of with a Plasma gun.*

I hope you can do something with that.

Cheers!
~Wolf's gone

Interesting set up. Chem, I am assuming that you haven't bought a significant portion of your Wolves yet and still have some room to be flexible.

A Few quick notes...

Wolves on feet = Wolf Hides for your Foes
I'm not sure if you're "purposely" going for a non-mechanized Wolf Army, but from what I've seen, the Wolves need to be mobile, leaping and attacking their foes ASAP in CC. That is their strength and their redemption. Why create a "shooty" foot-slogging Wolves army that can be outshot by your Vanilla marines? Let the wolves be wolves and let them sink their teeth into their opponents as soon as they can. If can, give them some Rhinos, or even drop pods. I've seen good solid foot-slogging armies (not counting nids)...most are very shooty and most have A LOT of troops to get shot up. There are much less foot-sloggin effective close-combat armies these days. How many turns does it take for your Wolves to walk to the enemy or the objective?

As already suggested...Assault Cannons for the Terminators, if you get Terminators at all. Remember, Terminator Wolves have to be Drop Podded (as opposed to Teleported)...I think. The rules that Wolves don't teleport, to the best of my knowledge, still stands... Are the Terminators walking into combat? I would almost suggest dropping the Terminator Squad and giving your Wolves more mobility and/or adding a bit more firepower. But, what's the fun of that right?

Also, how are you planning to deck out your scouts? Please be more specific. Note that only one scout squad can OBEL (operate behind enemy lines), not both.

Anyhow, I would love to see how a walking Wolf army does...if you manage to keep your Wolves out of Rhinos or Drop Pods, please write up a Battle Report.

Thanks,
Fox

You're short on anti-armour all right.

My first suggestion is to kit the Scouts for anti-armour competely: meltagun, maybe PP and meltabombs 'cause in this list you must be sure that they will at least kill one tank or you're lost.

A second suggestion is getting a couple of cheapish 'Speeders with multi-melta's to aid in the destruction of faster vehicles. For only 65 pts a piece you can at least stick in 1 for the points saved on the Scouts. If you decide to bring Scouts back to a bare minimum of 4 Scouts with a melta, you can fit in 2 'Speeders.
Which would give you 1 melta coming in on the enemy's rear to drop at least 1 vehicle bombing you from across the field or keeping a heavy weapon unit busy and 2 multi-melta's zapping across the field taking out other vehicles. In other words, a great support for your slogging troops.

On to the ground troops. The infantry is fine. Keep the GHs behind the BCs and the Rune Priest in one of the BC packs to get them across in 'reasonable' shape. Use terrain to your advantage.
As you're slogging the GHs are immensely important as they will fight at least 1 turn longer than the Claws.

The Wolf Guard I would equip with assault cannons. But as you have them slogging you could also consider cyclone missile launchers, something which would also give you long-range fire support which can move AND shoot AND is much more durable than Long Fangs. If you're still worried about their survival you could consider a Runic Charm for a couple of them.


Tai'shar

Chem, I understand your delimma with miniatures and buying more stuff. Heh. Sometimes, when reading advice from the board, I want to believe that money grows on trees for these folks. But the harshness of reality dictates otherwise.

Anyhow... since you (and I) are limited on funds, I'll do some quick suggestion on scouts.

1st - only one pack CAN OBEL. If you use two, the other can infiltrate and become VERY annoying.

2nd - Depends what you want them to do, depends on how pumped up you make them.

You'll definately need the Meltagun at bare minimum (I converted Catachan and Marines for scouts, once I finish painting them I'll post something). The Melta has a great chance at popping back armor or any armor. However, if you wish to buttress the Melta, stick in one or two Plasma Pistols. Many Wolf players do that...at S7, PPs can still easily rip through back armor (likewise those Bolt Pistols have a gamble of a shot at it too!).

If you want to make your scouts more flexible...and just incase your opponent has multiple tanks etc. side by side...consider meltabombs (getting expensive now). Instead of shooting and popping a tank, you might want to assault two tanks and instant-hit (if they didn't move) doing what I'd consider instant death on two tanks! Why not shoot? Cause under 4th Ed and altered 3rd Ed rules, your unit must assault the unit you shoot at...and if you destroy it...well, good luck trying to assault the other tank.

For just in case Dev squads hiding out back...power weapons and Frag Grenades. This really tools up your Scout squad. Mine ranges around 160+ points for a very TOOLED up suicide squad....add in a Wolfguard with Powerfist (or Thunderhammer) or whatever...that's an extra 50+ points if you want to add more fuel to the fire.

Again, most scouts are suicide squads good for one shot at popping a critical tank or attacking (and tying up) a critical unit. They also take and hold positions which is awesome. I'd rather go with one ultra tooled up scout squad than with two squads, but then again I deck out my units so I have low model count but high quality battling action.

If you do get a second squad, infiltration is often a ***** against your foes....but that squad, in my guess, will likely get chewed up.

Just some thoughts about scouts.

Fox