Starting Khorne. Advice? Tips?

sadly khorne doesn't like oblits, so your best bet would be black legion like said above.

People often say that a Khorne army plays itself, and to a degree this is true. Your army lives to get in close combat, and they're so damn good at it that it's an egregious waste to use them any other way. Anyway, as far as what to use, I find that Bikes are absolutely lethal, they're easily the nastiest thing in my army, and when I put my Daemon Prince on a bike of his own I usually find that I zip them into the far left flank and just consolidate through the whole line.

Every berzerker squad should have an aspiring champ, and then toss in Talismen of Burning blood, because it is a rather cheap yet effective way to get it. However, since you're now not playing World Eaters you won't get free Aspiring Champions, so perhaps you could experiment with 10 regular berzerkers in a Rhino. The only problem is without an Aspiring Champion you don't have a place to put Meltabombs, power fists, and the like. How you balance this out is up to you, but I'd argue that your oblits are certainly competent tank hunters on their own. Oh, another thing, ALWAYS take the following on anything Khorne, frag grenades, furious charge, and the chainaxe.

Daemons of any sort are nice to have in a khorne list. The Bloodthirster can take anybody on the charge short of a C'tan and maybe a few vastly over expensive Daemonprinces. It's also a lot of fun to watch somebody poo themselves when your Biker aspiring champion explodes and a massive incarnation of hell itself is standing there. Also, the bloodletters are AMAZING against meq armies (they kill termies on a 2+). I've used both and it works wonders. The flesh hounds I've also heard are good, but I've never used them, so I don't really know.

that's all I've got for now, basically experiment a bit, but remember that berzerkers en masse can't be argued with.

Ah, I see. So "Black Legion" it is.

Now I'm trying to figure out if I can use multiple marks with the head hq being Khorne? If not undivided, but I really like the toughness granted from the nurgle mark. If I can somehow combine the 2 and get obliterators at the same time that would be ideal. Otherwise, semi-Khorne is fine with me.

For berzerker squads I'm planning to add the ac with powerfist, but maybe not the talisman . Most likely add khornate chainaxes gainst tough armies. Have 2 with melta guns as well.

The lord would be tooled up, I've tried many combinations and I think the best non statured lord for me is about 150 ish points, so it is within the limit. I'm not crazy about furious charge though, I'm planning on adding a dark blade with stregnth + resilence.

Hopefully I can get a squad or 2 of bloodletters. THe powerattacks from them are amazing. They are much better than DE Incubi These are the only demons I plan on using.... A bloodthirster will be considered later(it'll be hell to model)

I'm not too obliterator crazy but at least 2-3 in my army would be necessary most of the time, as well as a defiler.

Otherwise, I think the possibilties with chaos armies are amazing. Thanks for the quick responses

The Incubi said:

Ah, I see. So "Black Legion" it is.

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Don't sweat playing Black Legion - people think it sucks because it is the "vanilla" Chaos army, but it gives you the most options of any list, and is extremely versatile. I lose free Aspiring Champions in order to take Obliterators? Sign me up Mr. Despoiler!

The Incubi said:

Now I'm trying to figure out if I can use multiple marks with the head hq being Khorne? If not undivided, but I really like the toughness granted from the nurgle mark. If I can somehow combine the 2 and get obliterators at the same time that would be ideal. Otherwise, semi-Khorne is fine with me.

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Page 38 has all the information you need in order to answer this question. It is quite possibly the most important page of all the Chaos Codex.

The short answer, however is this - anything that shares the same mark as your General or has the MoCU or has no Mark at all will be a Troops choice. Everything else will be an Elites choice. Just be sure to pay attention to the ancient enemies rule.

So in your example, you could have one unit of Oblits, leaving two Elites choices open for Plague Marines while filling out Troops with Beserkers.

The Incubi said:

For berzerker squads I'm planning to add the ac with powerfist, but maybe not the talisman . Most likely add khornate chainaxes gainst tough armies. Have 2 with melta guns as well.

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Talisman. Always, always, always have a Talisman for each Beserker squad. They're cheap and amazingly useful. The only time you don't use the Talisman is when you're mounting the Beserkers in a Rhino. Also, Beserkers can't upgrade their shooty weapons except to replace two pistols with Plasma Pistols - so Meltaguns are out.

Chainaxes are wonderful.

How often do you go up against Psyker powers? Such as Space Marine Librarians and the such? If the answer is "A lot" then consider buying a Collar of Khorne for each Champion as well. They're very cheap and go a long ways to irritating Thousand Sons players.

The Incubi said:

The lord would be tooled up, I've tried many combinations and I think the best non statured lord for me is about 150 ish points, so it is within the limit.

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I commend you on the cheap lord! Too many new players go way over board, so nice job!

The Incubi said:

I'm not too obliterator crazy but at least 2-3 in my army would be necessary most of the time, as well as a defiler.

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Obliterators work best in groups of three, but in small games two is okay. One just isn't worth it.

As for the Defiler, far be it from me to tell you how to build your army, but I honestly believe that Scattering Ordnance has no place in a Close Combat orientated list.

Thank you for the help. Why do they call it the Vanilla army? My guess is that it's light? Something like that.

So, to break down my army it would look something like this:

hq - Mark of Khorne, equipment

Elites- 1 oblit squad, nurgle squad(maybe 2) also, no chosen since they are quite expensive.

Troops - 2 berzerker squads(axes and talisman), 1 bloodletter squad.

Fast attack - few bikes, no marks, 2 meltas. They would summon my daemons. Used for supporting my foot squads, tank hunting with obliterators. Annoyance.

Heavy - 1 defiler(I'm just using this to fire a few ordanance str 8 ap 3 at squads to weaken before I attack) Not the scattering kind.(I'm new to ordanance too) I believe the defiler has 2 kinds of shots.

Also, what do you guys think of fabius bile? The extra attack for everyone is very good. Himself as a character isn't the greatest, but he's cheap enough to be accompanied by a greater demon in the big games.

LictorInTheGrass said:

If you have any questions, I am around to answer them. I am the Black Legion dude around here.

One piece of advice, one defiler is okay but doesn't really cut it. I'd suggest 2, the cross fire from them is awesome a good tactic. So get two megaforces, they give you bikes, standard guys, and berzerkers that you want.

If moneys a problem, I can hook you to a guy that give 15% off or search ebay for you. I also suggest maybe magnetizing them, the part with the cannon sits on, for easy transport.

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Yea I would prefer 2 defiler's as well, but it would have to be a 1500-2000 point game at least. Modelling it would be a pain too unless I go with the easy black scheme(primer.)

Now I found a site that sells the megaforce for $115 US, shipping is $9 to ship to Florida(can't afford duty, and I have relatives down there I can ship it to and pick it up.) What would you think about that?

2 megaforces is pushing it. I really want the defilers but they are extremely overpriced. The megaforce means 2 rhinos which I won't need. It's too bad the megaforce doesn't have bloodletters or some massive unit. Although it seems like a good deal, GW is really killing us here. I'm ebaying myself, thanks for the offer.

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