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I have just decided to swap from DE to Chaos and have chosen Chaos to be my route through the Eye of Terror.

I have just purchased some Ebay models (got an obliterator and lord with 6 random blisters for $32 US all in blisters). I'm considering buying the megaforce as well, since it has everything I need.(The dreaded defiler)

I have the codex, and read it pretty thoroughly. Before taking my army to the hobby shop, I would like some advice and tips(purchasing wise and game wise) before I make a fool out of myself.

Any comments appreciated.
 

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Khorne Daemon Princes can be very devestating when tooled up right :yes:, I don't play Khorne but going against them I've tasted the power of a Khorne DP and it burns....
 

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Well, if it's Obliterators you fancy I say NO to World Eaters. Obliterators cannot have a mark of chaos so in a pure Khorne army you cannot field Obliterators. Iron Warriors on the other hand can field nine of them.

You could play a Black Legion army with a Khornate HQ, this would let you get the best of two worlds.
Obliterators (one unit max) as Elite and Berzerkers as troops.
What you should do first of all though, is to read and reread the codex. Pay attention to page 38, that's where quite a lot of the mark-rules are printed.

Recommendations for Khornate (troop) units would be:
Powerfist Champion
Talisman of Burning Blood
No Rhino.

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sadly khorne doesn't like oblits, so your best bet would be black legion like said above.

People often say that a Khorne army plays itself, and to a degree this is true. Your army lives to get in close combat, and they're so damn good at it that it's an egregious waste to use them any other way. Anyway, as far as what to use, I find that Bikes are absolutely lethal, they're easily the nastiest thing in my army, and when I put my Daemon Prince on a bike of his own I usually find that I zip them into the far left flank and just consolidate through the whole line.

Every berzerker squad should have an aspiring champ, and then toss in Talismen of Burning blood, because it is a rather cheap yet effective way to get it. However, since you're now not playing World Eaters you won't get free Aspiring Champions, so perhaps you could experiment with 10 regular berzerkers in a Rhino. The only problem is without an Aspiring Champion you don't have a place to put Meltabombs, power fists, and the like. How you balance this out is up to you, but I'd argue that your oblits are certainly competent tank hunters on their own. Oh, another thing, ALWAYS take the following on anything Khorne, frag grenades, furious charge, and the chainaxe.

Daemons of any sort are nice to have in a khorne list. The Bloodthirster can take anybody on the charge short of a C'tan and maybe a few vastly over expensive Daemonprinces. It's also a lot of fun to watch somebody poo themselves when your Biker aspiring champion explodes and a massive incarnation of hell itself is standing there. Also, the bloodletters are AMAZING against meq armies (they kill termies on a 2+). I've used both and it works wonders. The flesh hounds I've also heard are good, but I've never used them, so I don't really know.

that's all I've got for now, basically experiment a bit, but remember that berzerkers en masse can't be argued with.
 

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Ah, I see. So "Black Legion" it is.

Now I'm trying to figure out if I can use multiple marks with the head hq being Khorne? If not undivided, but I really like the toughness granted from the nurgle mark. If I can somehow combine the 2 and get obliterators at the same time that would be ideal. Otherwise, semi-Khorne is fine with me.

For berzerker squads I'm planning to add the ac with powerfist, but maybe not the talisman . Most likely add khornate chainaxes gainst tough armies. Have 2 with melta guns as well.

The lord would be tooled up, I've tried many combinations and I think the best non statured lord for me is about 150 ish points, so it is within the limit. I'm not crazy about furious charge though, I'm planning on adding a dark blade with stregnth + resilence.

Hopefully I can get a squad or 2 of bloodletters. THe powerattacks from them are amazing. They are much better than DE Incubi :p These are the only demons I plan on using.... A bloodthirster will be considered later(it'll be hell to model)

I'm not too obliterator crazy but at least 2-3 in my army would be necessary most of the time, as well as a defiler.

Otherwise, I think the possibilties with chaos armies are amazing. Thanks for the quick responses
 

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You might very well have two units of Nurgloids in your army, as Elites, even if your Lord bears the mark of Khorne. You could have three, but since the Oblits will take 1 of the Elite-slots...
You could also field Tzeentchian units as Elites, but not Slaanesh.
It's all on p.38.
 

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The Incubi said:
Ah, I see. So "Black Legion" it is.
Don't sweat playing Black Legion - people think it sucks because it is the "vanilla" Chaos army, but it gives you the most options of any list, and is extremely versatile. I lose free Aspiring Champions in order to take Obliterators? Sign me up Mr. Despoiler!

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Now I'm trying to figure out if I can use multiple marks with the head hq being Khorne? If not undivided, but I really like the toughness granted from the nurgle mark. If I can somehow combine the 2 and get obliterators at the same time that would be ideal. Otherwise, semi-Khorne is fine with me.
Page 38 has all the information you need in order to answer this question. It is quite possibly the most important page of all the Chaos Codex.

The short answer, however is this - anything that shares the same mark as your General or has the MoCU or has no Mark at all will be a Troops choice. Everything else will be an Elites choice. Just be sure to pay attention to the ancient enemies rule.

So in your example, you could have one unit of Oblits, leaving two Elites choices open for Plague Marines while filling out Troops with Beserkers.

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For berzerker squads I'm planning to add the ac with powerfist, but maybe not the talisman . Most likely add khornate chainaxes gainst tough armies. Have 2 with melta guns as well.
Talisman. Always, always, always have a Talisman for each Beserker squad. They're cheap and amazingly useful. The only time you don't use the Talisman is when you're mounting the Beserkers in a Rhino. Also, Beserkers can't upgrade their shooty weapons except to replace two pistols with Plasma Pistols - so Meltaguns are out.

Chainaxes are wonderful.

How often do you go up against Psyker powers? Such as Space Marine Librarians and the such? If the answer is "A lot" then consider buying a Collar of Khorne for each Champion as well. They're very cheap and go a long ways to irritating Thousand Sons players.

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The lord would be tooled up, I've tried many combinations and I think the best non statured lord for me is about 150 ish points, so it is within the limit.
I commend you on the cheap lord! Too many new players go way over board, so nice job!

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I'm not too obliterator crazy but at least 2-3 in my army would be necessary most of the time, as well as a defiler.
Obliterators work best in groups of three, but in small games two is okay. One just isn't worth it.

As for the Defiler, far be it from me to tell you how to build your army, but I honestly believe that Scattering Ordnance has no place in a Close Combat orientated list.
 

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Thank you for the help. Why do they call it the Vanilla army? My guess is that it's light? Something like that.

So, to break down my army it would look something like this:

hq - Mark of Khorne, equipment

Elites- 1 oblit squad, nurgle squad(maybe 2) also, no chosen since they are quite expensive.

Troops - 2 berzerker squads(axes and talisman), 1 bloodletter squad.

Fast attack - few bikes, no marks, 2 meltas. They would summon my daemons. Used for supporting my foot squads, tank hunting with obliterators. Annoyance.

Heavy - 1 defiler(I'm just using this to fire a few ordanance str 8 ap 3 at squads to weaken before I attack) Not the scattering kind.(I'm new to ordanance too:() I believe the defiler has 2 kinds of shots.

Also, what do you guys think of fabius bile? The extra attack for everyone is very good. Himself as a character isn't the greatest, but he's cheap enough to be accompanied by a greater demon in the big games.
 

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Vanilla as in boring, average, a bit sucky really, lite spelt the same way as in beer lite, lacking "flavour" Personally I don't think black Legion armies are any of the above but thats what some players think because they don't follow one particular choas mark.
 

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All of that looks like a good start, but I find a few nitpicks -

The Incubi said:
Fast attack - few bikes, no marks, 2 meltas. They would summon my daemons.
In order to summon daemons, they'll need some form of Mark. The Mark of Chaos Undivided will work fine, and should be cheap enough to not break your bank.

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Also, what do you guys think of fabius bile? The extra attack for everyone is very good. Himself as a character isn't the greatest, but he's cheap enough to be accompanied by a greater demon in the big games.
I tried using Fabius once, but found that the lack of being able to take any Mark limited me too much. The upgrades makes your basic troopers quite expensive, and when you start adding in Vet skills they start hurting when you lose a simple Marine.

However, there is something so nice about having five Strength 10 attacks each round....
 

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People think that?

Well that's fine with me since I'm really not into warhammer because of the fluff. It is pretty cool, but I'm focusing on the raw gaming. Dedication for versatility is a loss I can handle. Honestly, I'm not a warhammer nut.

OK, bikes will have the divided mark, that would work nicely.

"Don't sweat playing Black Legion - people think it sucks because it is the "vanilla" Chaos army, but it gives you the most options of any list, and is extremely versatile. I lose free Aspiring Champions in order to take Obliterators? Sign me up Mr. Despoiler!" - Caluin.
 

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Vanilla as in boring, average, a bit sucky really, lite spelt the same way as in beer lite, lacking "flavour"
Hmm not really IMHO. It isn't neccesarily boring, and of course not "sucky". It usually just means "normal". It's not one paticular book or theme.
 

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If you have any questions, I am around to answer them. I am the Black Legion dude around here.

One piece of advice, one defiler is okay but doesn't really cut it. I'd suggest 2, the cross fire from them is awesome a good tactic. So get two megaforces, they give you bikes, standard guys, and berzerkers that you want.

If moneys a problem, I can hook you to a guy that give 15% off or search ebay for you. I also suggest maybe magnetizing them, the part with the cannon sits on, for easy transport.
 

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If you have any questions, I am around to answer them. I am the Black Legion dude around here.

One piece of advice, one defiler is okay but doesn't really cut it. I'd suggest 2, the cross fire from them is awesome a good tactic. So get two megaforces, they give you bikes, standard guys, and berzerkers that you want.

If moneys a problem, I can hook you to a guy that give 15% off or search ebay for you. I also suggest maybe magnetizing them, the part with the cannon sits on, for easy transport.
Yea I would prefer 2 defiler's as well, but it would have to be a 1500-2000 point game at least. Modelling it would be a pain too unless I go with the easy black scheme(primer.)

Now I found a site that sells the megaforce for $115 US, shipping is $9 to ship to Florida(can't afford duty, and I have relatives down there I can ship it to and pick it up.) What would you think about that?

2 megaforces is pushing it. I really want the defilers but they are extremely overpriced. The megaforce means 2 rhinos which I won't need. It's too bad the megaforce doesn't have bloodletters or some massive unit. Although it seems like a good deal, GW is really killing us here. I'm ebaying myself, thanks for the offer.

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I really appreciate the help from this chaos sparines' board. It's much better having more people viewing the post contrasted to the dark eldar where there really aren't enough people to help you out. The response is pretty quick too... :).
 

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"only time you don't use the Talisman is when you're mounting the Beserkers in a Rhino"

I still give them talismans when there in rhinos, since the talisman lets you re-role the bloodrage no matter what the result it, you can still re-role if you get a one or a two. This way means you are more likely to stay put in you rhino.
 

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I bought defiliers just cuz i love the model (i also play some nurgle LatD) - but I would reccomend a predator or two over defiliers. Having a few lascannons on the board never hurts when fighting space marines or IG. I'm also a big fan of meltabombs - they automatically hit during tank shock and are also handy to have when someone tries to kite your legion around the board (as good enough a reason as any to play black legion with a khorne HQ and mixed troops - but mostly KHORNE!)

I used to play black legion (mostly khorne) to get obliterators and whatnot; and still do once in a while (against IG mostly), but my absolute favorite army right now is 6 squads of berzerkers, a chaos lt. that is basically a tooled up berzerker with a retinue of 40 berzerkers, 3 squads of berzerkers on bikes, 3 khonre destroyer dreadnoughts, and last but not least 3 squads of possessed 'berzerkers' with daemonic talons.

I don't always win, but it's a darn good time!
 

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Vanilla as in boring, average, a bit sucky really, lite spelt the same way as in beer lite, lacking "flavour" Personally I don't think black Legion armies are any of the above but thats what some players think because they don't follow one particular choas mark.

Sorry, but no. The Talisman gets you an extra die to try for the blood rage movement. It dosn't allow you t re roll either die.

I suppose you could get a re roll on the test if you took a master crafted mark of khorne :w00t: , but short of that, I don't see it hapening.
 
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