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Hey guys after completing my eldar army and planning out finely tuned lists of specialists I decided to find an army that can take a beating in close combat and hit even harder and faster than any other. Anyways the list I plan on running involves 4 troops with 2 Assault squads w/ JP at 10 men each. And the other 2 as Tactical Marines with Rhinos. A Baal predator and then as the main Hammer in my army i want to use a Stormraven full of one of the following paired with a Furioso. Now i have difficulty making small choices like this because my head plays through every scenario on Fast Forward multiple times until I come here and post questions and receive some form of advice. Damnable OCPD.

The HQ i currently plan on running is a librarian with the epistolary upgrade. Powers to be determined per match but i was thinking Sanguine Sword and Might of Heroes. Extra attacks at Strength 10? I won't say no.

1- Epistolary
- 5 Assault terminators 3/2 Claws/TH
- Sanguinary Priest - loadout basic. Perhaps a Power weapon.

The weapons on the stormraven are also subject to your opinions based on each squad. However the plan with this is that once delivered they don't have jet packs so when the stormraven has to bug out and act as a gun ship from afar or due to AV 12 simply crashes and burns mid field. Now my Hammer is left in the open moving 6 inches a turn and being shot at by everything they have.

2- Epistolary
- 5 Sanguinary Guard
- Sanguinary Priest

Okay so the problem with this is that the Epistolary and Priest don't have JPs and I'd rather not drop the Priest simply to let the Epistolary have a JP. I suppose i could always take the epistolary and put him elsewhere in the army and if need be make the Furioso a Libby? or blood talons.... or Frag... or I have no clue.

3 - Epistolary w/ JP
- Honor Guard w/ Jp for built in Blood Chalice
- Furioso w/ ???

The above set up has both decent ranged and melee capabilities along with Jet Packs Furious Charge and Feel No Pain. But are the Honour Guard durable enough to last and can they still kill with the same speed and efficiency as Assault Terminators or Sanguinary Guard?

4 - ????? If there's a plan I'm missing tell me.

5 - Drop the Storm Raven grab a Land Raider Redeemer or Crusader

- Redeemer 5 Terminators a Epistolary and Priest
- Redeemer 5 Honour Guard Terminator Armoured (Epistolary and Priest) add a Chaplain
- Crusader 5 Terminators and Termie Epistolary Priest and Chaplain. (Overkill Most likely?)
- Land Raider 5 Terminators put Epistolary and Priest in with Assault Squad to make it scoring.

Look guys I'm open to just about anything. I know some people recommend using 2 Storm ravens and I am playing 2000 points however that forces me to drop a predator for the stormraven itself and i have to find points for the dreadnought too. Lemme know what you guys think.
 

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due to AV 12 simply crashes and burns mid field.
This is always a risk with the Stormraven. It's a massive threat mounted on a tall flight base. It will become a bullet magnet.

A simple and effective solution to this is to give your Librarian the 'shield' power. The Stormraven now has it's own cover save where ever it is on the board.

Also, because the 'shield' power is used in your opponents turn you can drop the Epistolary upgrade and still use two powers per game turn. You don't need to, but if you want an extra 50pts you can cut it without any great loss.
The above set up has both decent ranged and melee capabilities along with Jet Packs Furious Charge and Feel No Pain. But are the Honour Guard durable enough to last and can they still kill with the same speed and efficiency as Assault Terminators or Sanguinary Guard?
The Honour Guard is by far the most versatile option here but tooling them up to match the others in CC will make them more expensive. They can quickly become a points sink. Unless you want a specific unit you can't get elsewhere; ie, a combination of wargear the others can't take. Then the better option is to take one of the other units.

The Sanguinary Guard arn't quite as tough or killy as the Terminators but their advantage is speed and freedom of movement. However, if you are planning to attach characters without a jump pack then this advantage would be wasted.

The Terminators would be the best option here. They can take a beating and kill the crap out of most things you'll meet.

Hope this helps.
SkyDog :)
 

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Thanks. So assault terminators it is. The question is what to load out
The furioso with. My list right now is
Epistolary
Sanguinary priest
20 assault marines power fists and melta
Bombs
20 tacticals and 2 rhinos power fists/MLs
5 assault terminators
Furioso dreadnought with...
Storm raven with typhoon hurricane bolters and las cannon
Baal predator assault cannon/heavy bolters
Predator auto cannon/las cannon sponsons
 

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4 - ????? If there's a plan I'm missing tell me.
Death Company. A Storm Raven carrying jump DC (no other equipment) for killing infantry and a DC Dread for killing vehicles/elites is a fun, useful and affordable loadout. It's okay to lose the SR early because the passengers have packs and the Dread has fleet...you just have to put up with Rage, is all.

So assault terminators it is.
Then use a Redeemer/Crusader instead of SR. It's much more durable, has guns better suited to close support, bestows frag grenades on Terminators, is still fast enough for Turn 2 charges and its fat hull is a great source of cover for other units. And you free a Heavy slot!

Don't put a Dreadnought in the SR just because you can. A Storm Raven with Deathstar passengers embarked is a big enough target without adding yet another reason to kill it immediately. You're looking at up to 900 points invested in a flying Chimera!
 

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Thanks to both of you. I'm still toying around with my list. I might go for a ton of jet packs and do a DoA list. But the land raider does seem safer. Blood Angels just have so many ways to run them and so many beautiful kits... Hard to choose from.
 

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I'll echo the same note of caution about loading up a Stormraven. I, personally, love the Stormraven, Sanguinary Guard, and Furiosos. They're some of my favorites. Which, led to me loading up a Stormraven with Guard and a Furioso. Now, this has worked, which was awesome, but it is a HUGE let-down when it doesn't. The much more affordable and less cringe-inducing option is the one mentioned by Intrepid. Death Company and a DC Dred aren't as hampered by getting shot down. So, if you're set on using the Stormraven as a transport, I'd go that route. That one has worked for me far more often than not. And, you can give them better weapons if you want, or include a chaplain or Reclusiarch to really up their CC potential. But, don't get mired down in a rediculous point-sink, again. In my esperience, Stormravens are really more useful as long range heavy support than transports. Being able to zip around and still fire can be helpful. Don't under-estimate the ability to sling Bloodstrike missiles at vehicles along with a las-cannon shot. It can turn out well if you've got a couple of them doing it. You can also keep a five man squad inside to make them scoring, which makes them more of a target priority without filling them with expensive elites, leaving your Baal Preds taking a little less fire, hopefully. Just ideas.

Having said that, the durable option is the Redeemer/Crusader and Termies. It's the one that's way more reliable. As I said before, I use the Stormravens, Guard, and Furiosos whenever I can, but I will admit I do have a Crusader, Termies, Priest, and Reclusiarch that I use, too, when I want reliability. Can't beat all that armor for getting you stuck right into the thick of it. Of course, it's up to you. Good luck.
 
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