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Has anyone else come to the conclusion that the Tau are in fact an experiment by the C'tan Deciever. Three reasons why -

1: The Tau are the only race to have no psycic powers and therefore no connection to the warp. Who wants to sever all connection to the warp? The C'tan of course.
( They also have no warp-capiable ships )

2: When they were first discoved they were very primitive, a warp storm cut them off and protected thier planet from the imperium. The only other time that a warp storm has been so precise was when the Gothic sector was cut off by the Deciever so that the Blackstone fortresses could be destroyed.

3: They gained a very high level of technology very fast. They undersand things that are on the same level as the Necrons, more so than the Eldar. Who commands the Necrons? The C'tan.

So I conclude that the Tau are an experiment into creating a race with no connection to the warp. The ' greater good ' ideology is possibly the C'tan trying to create a stable galaxy ( through Tau conquest ) which they can then feed off.

Anyone agree with me?
 

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Apart from the fact that the Tau do indeed have warp capable ships, except that they "skim" the warp rather than an Imperial ship might "dive".
 

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The only reason the Tau don't travel through warp space properly is because ' with out the specialised mutation of the navigator gene, their ships could only make short hops into the warp.'(from Codex: Tau)
 

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Exacly , they have no navigator gene because the C'tan made sure they as a people were left without a presence in the warp. I suppose they could still develop warp- based technology, just have no way to control it like the imperium do.
 

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I'm sure there are a few Navigator families willing to crew their ships....it would be a way for the Imperium to gain control.

They also get access to Tau technology. The Tau also need more protection against the Warp. Some Gargoyles outside their ship should help.....lol


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I have never thought about it that way. But their technology really isn't on a level with the Necrons... it's just remarkably advanced for their place. Remember, all Necron technology was developed by the Necrontyr, NOT by the C'tan. They don't really understand how it works, (with the possible exception of the Dragon) as such things are below a god. If the Deceiver really "helped along" the Tau, they would be using Gauss weaponry.
 

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I apoligise if i'm being picky, but you've just proved yourself wrong Deceiver. The C'tan don't understand Necrontyr technology ( gauss weapons, living metal etc ) but as they are so old and so powerfull, they are likely to be very very inteligent. They gave the Tau what they could.
 

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i believe the tau were created by the old ones to fight the ctan.

they were protected by something thatcould control space storms (the old ones could)

when they have been trying to build a warp drive they just find one.

they're basic weapons can kill ctan.
 

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I suppose the morals of the Tau are very 'clean-cut' and fitting in with the enlightened nature of the old ones. But the old ones are long extinct and they always created races with some kind of connection to the warp, whereas the Tau are the complete oppisite.
 

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One thing:
If the C'tan created the Tau... How did they create the warp storm to protect it?

There is only one being that would be 1. interested in creating a species to fight chaos
2. be capable of protecting it with the warp storm... the star child ( a being of pure warp, also known as the emporer of mankind).

Also, the sudden appereance of the ethereals indicates the influence of some higher force.
I do not know wheter it is possible for the deceiver or the star child to controll more than one body at the same time. However, due to the last experience of the star child (Treachery of horus, slain), it would be wise to develop a method of total controll... thats what the ethereals do.

Maybe GW will give some backgroundinformation regarding the ethereals in time.



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I have to correct myself. It says that the ethereals used to have ritual combats to solve disputs between them with their staff (don't know its english name). So, there cant be one being in controll
 

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Your reasoning is quite good PrinzMegaherz but unfortunately I can pick holes in it the size of watermelons. I'm not being nasty, i'd love for someone to prove me wrong, but to do that I have to argue as hard as I can, nothing personal.

When you say that there is only one type of being interested in fighting chaos and capiable of producing warp storms, you would be wrong. The C'tan deciever can produce warp storms , he did so during the gothic war so as to stop any outside forces interfering with the planned destruction of the blackstone fortresses ( read his entry in the necron codex if you don't belive me ).

As for why the C'tan want to create a race to fight chaos, its thier ultimate goal to cut off realspace form the warp, to do this they seede the human race with the genes to create 'blanks' , people with no presence in the warp, so they create an area around them where the warp cannot exist.

This plan would have worked, but the human race was also seeded by the Old Ones and linked to the warp, this cripples the C'tan plan of breeding 'blanks'. So they decided to create an entire race with no presence in the warp, possibly as an experiment, maybe as a force for war. The result was the Tau.

Please argue with me, but keep it to inteligent reasioning and not nonense, I don't want this thread locked.
 

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I made a topic about this in the tau forum, but-

I noticed that in the picture of the deciever in the necron codex, he has a ridge in his forehead EXACTLY like that found on the ethereal caste members.
 

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well, as i said in my post in the tau forum, for some reason c'tan fear psykers. therefore the expansion of a race which has no warp ability would hold a great deal of interest for them.
 

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In order to decide whether or not the Deciever created the Tau or not would be to find out when he awoke from stasis, If he had not woken from stasis when the storm happened, then he would ruled out. I do not know the answer to this question but am hoping someone does. However, there are few other beings that have the "power" or "foresight" to do something like that other than the Deceiver.
1) Eldrad Ulthran
2) Tzeentch
3) The Old Ones
4) The Emperor
1)Eldrad could not because he is cited in the Tau codex as to have taking a liking to this young race andwould love to see where they go, I do not remember it totally but he seemed to want to take a hands off approach, a very un-farseer like thing to do if he caused the storm.
2) Tzeentch could have done this for some reason known only to himself and maybe his changers of ways. But i doubt this too because they seem to be pretty inimical to chaos and for tzeentch it would be unlikely he would have such a non psychic pawn
3) The Old Ones are as a good choice as the Deciever however they appear to have been long extinct by the time the tau were still early in their evolution.
4) Which possibly leaves the Emperor. However his xenophobia and pro human bent would suggest otherwise. But, much like Tzeentch, he has incredible foresight and could have cause a chain of events that would lead to a warp storm to save them because the Tau are being readied to be used at a critical juncture in the war against the enemies of humanity.

Of course it might have happened by chance and none of the above mentioned beings had anything to do with it
 

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or even more out there:

ethereals arent even tau, but some offshoot of the krrot who managed to absorb so much tau dna that they were then able to not only look like them, but also able to exude the phermone they love so much (and be much smarter). maybe the combined abilities of all the ethereals allows them to have psychic abilities, perhaps even being able to cause a warp storm.

but im much more partial to the ehtereals being a part of the deciever. either way, something is definiteley fishy about them.
 

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Didn't they say earlier in this thread that the Deciever created a warp storm? Then all the C'tan could probably do it.
 

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Plus the timing is right. The Nightbringer awoke before the Fall, and the Deceiver before that. At least I think so. I think this because apparently, Khaine fought the Nightbringer at the Fall, and the C'tan went into stasis MILLENIA before the Eldar dominated the galaxy. Therefore, it had to be AFTER the Nightbringer awoke, which is also after the Deceiver did, as it woke first. The Tau are a recent addition to the galaxy- at least since the C'tan awoke. So it is entirely possible.
 

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Only Slaanesh was created at the Fall. The other Chaos gods were around much longer. The Necrons and the C'tan have only recently woken up in the past few thousands years. The C'tan went into hibernation 60 million years ago. The Eldar myth cycles state that Khaine fought Yngir but this event occured right before their hibernation. I am not 100 percent sure of when they woke up but im pretty sure it wasnt 10000 years before present WH 40k time. At the earliest it was a few thousand. My question is, was it 6000, in time for the fateful warp storm?
 
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