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Do battle brothers still have specific attraction towards members of the opposite sex? Or were they neutered and/or psychologically altered during the gene seed implants.
 

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This sort of discussion comes up every 3-5 months.

The general consensus is that after 200 years shooting things, killing things, spitting acid and general militiristic kinaesthetic programs, not to mention the massive amounts of indoctrination and hypnotherapy, they're not particularly human.

While there's nothing written that mentions physical removal, psychologically, and probably chemically, they're not particularly inclined towards that.

Yes, yes, there's all sorts of lovely fanfiction that'd tell you otherwise, but everything we've gotten from both GW and BL indicates that romance is a topic removed from the banter of SM slumber parties.
 

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Actually, the hormonal treatments and implants which take place during a space marines initiation and early training interfere quite substantially with the whole process of puberty. It isn't mentioned (to my knowledge) whether Astartes are sterile, but their libido and general - ahem - physical maturity in that particular area is severely retarded.
 

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As far as I'm aware, the issue has only been consciously addressed a few times, generally by the Black Library.. I remember being told that in one of the BL books Ragnar Blackmane gets a bit hot for someone, but given that it's BL there's likely to be a degree of author-projection there. Besides.. space wolves.. There's an immature voice in my mind screaming 'doggy style.' ;P

If it suits your story to have it, then I doubt anything is holding you back. But just bear in mind that that any aware reader can spot wish-fulfilment a mile off, and romance is classic wish-fulfilment ground. Building a super strong author-substitute who falls in love with his dream girl and wins her over is not a very good space marine story.. There are other forums and other genres for that kind of thing. Space marines are dehumanized super-soldiers so pumped full of hormones they literally collapse and die without routine chemical rebalancing.. Romance there might provide a cool way to build tension between humanity and inhumanity, but handle it simplisticly and it becomes a grotesque ego trip, and people will spot it.. Heck, Frank Herbert was one of the most respected sci-fi writers in the world, and he still couldn't get away with it.. Wish fulfilment is a cardinal sin, avoid it.
 

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I've always felt that they didn't need women. Like the Space Marines are sort or brainwashed in a sense to just kill and serve for the Emporer, and that's all they need and want to do.

But Imperial Guard on the other hand... I'm not too familiar with IG background and fluff, but it seems like they might desire women.
 

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Imperial Guard are plain old normal humans.

Military discipline aside, they're probably just as inclined towards relationships as anyone in this day and age.

Corianis, your view is a common one, but is it actually substantiated by anything? It's a reasonable inference, but it's rather specific.
 

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In Fulgrim a space marine captian was ALMOST reminded of what it was like to be attracted to the opposite sex when he looked upon a daemonette, and that was way back in the day when the Astartes were alot less disciplined so im betting its a deffionate no on the whole woman and love thing. But like others have said if u think u have something good run with it but watch were u post it or ou might get crusified.

Im an Emperors Children player and from all the fluff ive read about them, they are the closest thing to being space marines with erotic desires, and all those desires fall into the relm of pain and suffering or just general sensory stimulious rather than actual sexual desires.
 

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Corianis, your view is a common one, but is it actually substantiated by anything? It's a reasonable inference, but it's rather specific.
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Reasonably informed (my words, make of it what you will) supposition. In other words, my opinion. On re-reading my previous post I realise that I neglected to mention that. My Apologies.

Long answer:
From GW Online : Warhammer 40,000 : Space Marines : Creation of A Space Marine (was also in a WD a few years ago)
2nd Page said:
Phase 3 – Biscopea. This organ is implanted into the chest cavity. It is small, approximately spherical and, like the Ossmodula, its primary action is hormonal. The presence of the biscopea stimulates muscle growth throughout the body.
Which hormones are affected is not mentioned (AFAIK), but the steroid groups would be almost certain. Higher than norm levels of anabolic steroids in early adoslescent males often causes reduced volume of ejaculation, decreased sperm count and increased risk of abnormal spermatozoa, flat-out infertility, erectile dysfunction and atrophied/impeded gonad growth.

Third Page said:
Many of these changes are controlled by natural hormonal secretions and growth patterns. Implants may not prove effective, or may not become fully functional, if they are carried out once the recipient has reached certain stages of natural development. It is therefore inevitable that recruits must be reasonably young.
IE they tinker with an early adolescent male's (age 10 to14) hormonal balance, and if they had waited for the subject to complete puberty and fully mature the initiation process would fail. This strongly implies that an Initiated Space Marines hormone levels would not correlate to a normal (fertile) adult male. Even if we discount my previous paragraph (not outside of the realms of possibility - or probability for that matter), a fairly robust rebuttal would be required for me to change my opinion.

DISCLAIMERS:

Firstly; I am in no way a Doctor, Biologist or Pharmacologist. Even if I was, all I would be able to offer would be a more informed opinion, as we do not know the specific hormones being affected.

Secondly; Most of the above is based on medical papers found on google searches. I'm not going to bother providing links, if you want to read such sources you can perform your own searches - and finding more reliable data than I did is not out of the question.

Thirdly; None of the above take into account human evolution over the next 39 (at least) eons, nor any changes in medical science over that time. Keep in mind that most of the initiation process is performed by rote and rite and that Apothecaries have not got the depth or breadth of understanding we may expect if we think of them as doctors.

Fourthly; Grephaun's input would be most useful, as she is actually a medical professional.

Finally; 40k is fiction, and need not be connected to reality in any way. Short of a canon statement on this issue - which we haven't got and are extremely unlikely to get - we simply do not know and have no way of knowing.
 

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I remember being told that in one of the BL books Ragnar Blackmane gets a bit hot for someone, but given that it's BL there's likely to be a degree of author-projection there. Besides.. space wolves..
I believe that was in the first space wolf novel, and Ragnar was still a man during that particular part of the book. (So that would make such a thing quite possible at the time.)
 

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Which hormones are affected is not mentioned (AFAIK), but the steroid groups would be almost certain. Higher than norm levels of anabolic steroids in early adoslescent males often causes reduced volume of ejaculation, decreased sperm count and increased risk of abnormal spermatozoa, flat-out infertility, erectile dysfunction and atrophied/impeded gonad growth.
I think Erectile disfunction could be a good thing for Space Marines, i mean could you imagine on a Cruiser.

Sergeant Battle Brother: Brothers! this Daemonette is our target.
Then this would happen.

Battle Brother 1: *Ding*
Battle Brother 2: *Ding*
Battle Brother 3: *Ding*
Battle Brother 4. *Ding*
Battle Brother 5: *Ding*
 

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Well i think its POSSIBLE, but SM probably wouldn't recognize it for what it is, and given the way they think they would probably only be attracted to intelligent/respectable/tough/etc women, and in such a case they probably wouldn't think any more of it than respecting and their abilities. So I'd say YES they CAN (though its a lot less likely) but it wouldn't be romantic in any real fashion, it would more just be a deeper feeling of respect than they might usually hold for such a person, they almost definitely wouldn't recognize it for what it is what with all the psycho-therapy and etc they go through.
 

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I believe that was in the first space wolf novel, and Ragnar was still a man during that particular part of the book. (So that would make such a thing quite possible at the time.)
It is also in the second book (forget the name) as he is attarcted to the Female inqisiter(spl?) and makes referance to it from time to time in Gray Hunter as well.

Hope this clears it up again.

P.s Space Wolves arnt a "Normal" Chapter so this might not affect the Guilliman and Dornesc chapters.
 

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Join the Emperors Children's pink crusade! Regain your sexual appetite today!
 

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wasn't there a scene in some older BL book (possibly the Inquisition trilogy) with some Slaanesh Chaos Marines more or less raping people with a strange tentacle machine attached to there groin plate?

I know I didn't dream it up anyway..


I am in the camp that marines are not interested in romantic things, due mostly to the brainwashing.
Whether or not they are physically able to reproduce or even 'get it up' is something I seriously doubt GW will ever tackle.
Another example from the Inquisitor Trilogy is when the Inquisitor, his squat and his SM Captain bodyguard sit in at a pleasure cult, the psychic-stripper notices that the SM has never had sex or had any interest in any woman(or man).
When she starts using her powers to entertain her customers, they start to think of the person they are most attracted to. The marine (being an Imperial Fist) thinks about Rogal Dorn..
 

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When she starts using her powers to entertain her customers, they start to think of the person they are most attracted to. The marine (being an Imperial Fist) thinks about Rogal Dorn..
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There's so many things wrong with that statement I'm not going to go anywhere near it...

On a slightly different tack, do you think it's possible for a marine to become... I don't know if attached would be the right word, but...

Ok, lets put it this way. In the above quote, as to be expected, the person the marine is most attracted to (or perhaps respects and admires the most) is his Primarch.

Could someone else, say an inquisitor or maybe a phenomenally talented Guard-person ever come anywhere near being as respected and admired as the Marine's Primarch? Or, again, are they conditioned and indoctrinated to only look to their Primarch and their battle-brothers?
 

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Another example from the Inquisitor Trilogy is when the Inquisitor, his squat and his SM Captain bodyguard sit in at a pleasure cult, the psychic-stripper notices that the SM has never had sex or had any interest in any woman(or man).
When she starts using her powers to entertain her customers, they start to think of the person they are most attracted to. The marine (being an Imperial Fist) thinks about Rogal Dorn..
This is yet another reason why anything written by Ian Watson should be thrown spine-first into the Eye of Terror, never to be seen again. Ever. the man was just indulging his frustrated adolescent fantasies whenever he put pen to paper.

Could someone else, say an inquisitor or maybe a phenomenally talented Guard-person ever come anywhere near being as respected and admired as the Marine's Primarch? Or, again, are they conditioned and indoctrinated to only look to their Primarch and their battle-brothers?
Certainly never in the same way as their primarch and the Emperor, which both stand as objects of the highest veneration, which no mere mortal can live up to (unless they're a second Macharius, maybe). But there could certainly be a healthy respect for them. But nothing of the same magnitude I don't think.
 

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I quite enjoyed his book Space Marine (I'm pretty sure the main character in Space Marine is the same guy as in the Trilogy) Alas it is completely out of datye now and so it is near impossible to get ones hands on..
 

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the thing her is, they never actually say "marines don't get boners" they just hint at infertitity and dysfunction.

and as I recently learned in sex ed. class (eww!) infertility does not mean no boners, only no babies. but dysfunction, yeah, surely the imperium has some sort of viagra?

now, a marine wanting to have sex let alone GW releasing something with that, would be just, I don't know, but possible, if thou art a heretic!

anyway, the chance of a a marine getting a boner from a hermaphrodite *coughdaemonettescough* is slim.

BTW: this begs the question, can a male and female marine have a child?
 

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the thing her is, they never actually say "marines don't get boners" they just hint at infertitity and dysfunction.

and as I recently learned in sex ed. class (eww!) infertility does not mean no boners, only no babies. but dysfunction, yeah, surely the imperium has some sort of viagra?

now, a marine wanting to have sex let alone GW releasing something with that, would be just, I don't know, but possible, if thou art a heretic!

anyway, the chance of a a marine getting a boner from a hermaphrodite *coughdaemonettescough* is slim.

BTW: this begs the question, can a male and female marine have a child?
Theres just so much wrong with this, I'm not even going to touch it, sorry.
 

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BTW: this begs the question, can a male and female marine have a child?
Seeing as there are no female marines, since females cannot recieve geneseed to be space marines, the answer to that is a no.
 
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