Librarium Online Forums banner
1 - 17 of 17 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
I may be the only one thinking this but does it seem that GW is removing many of the specialist games models from the catalog in an effort to focus more on the main game systems? Because im not sure I buy this whole repackaging of the models bit. Basically what im asking is whether or not they will continue making updates for BFG (rules, fleet lists, etc.) because my Space Marines need a serious overhaul.
 

·
Nightlord
Joined
·
1,795 Posts
BFG is in the new catalog. I was told by a redshirt that it is the official stance of GW that the specialist games will not be supported in their stores other than in the catalog. Meaning that they will not set up any events for any of the specialist games, nor can the employees participate in specialist games while on the clock. People can bring in and set up their own games, but it is not sanctioned by the shop. GW does not feel that the specialist games pull enough money. It is not because of their popularity, but because the specialist games do not entice people to buy nearly as many models as their regular games do. Once you have your relatively small BFG fleet, you are done purchasing, and GW wants you continue to buy new models. Specialist games don't make as much money for them in the long run to justify their place on the shelves.
 

·
Watcher In The Sky
Joined
·
1,083 Posts
But by the same token, the available things via online or mail order wont decrease (hopefully).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
277 Posts
But by the same token, the available things via online or mail order wont decrease (hopefully).
Aside from EBAY, the only place I see to buy BFG stuff is through Forge World. Unless I'm blind, there is nothing available BFG-wise from the GW online store. Am I correct?
Where else might one look?
Also, though I gather that GW will never, ever again make absolutely anything new for Battlefleet, is it known whether or not FW will continue to update with new ships, stations, etc?
Thanks!

P.S. I can't find a single BFG piece in the Showcase. . .again, is this so or am I blind & dumb?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1 Posts
I just ordered a bunch of BFG stuff from the GW online store, so it's still there. You have to dig though: go to the online store, then click on Specialist Games in the left bar, then on BFG in the left bar again. Presto.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
277 Posts
Correct. The Australain site has recently brought back all the specialist games, which it hasn't carried since arund 2000 (well before the catalogue "reorganisation") so it seem's like they will be back and available soon. now that priestly does more work for WD, I'm not sure how much rules development there will be either but I foresee a stong cult following of most of the specialist games, judging by the splacsh release that Blood bowl recieved here about 6 months ago
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
277 Posts
I hope this isn't off topic, but it pertains to BFG in my future. For the first time I resorted to e-bay (& paypal) & bid on something called "BFG Armada Supplement". The word 'supplement' led me to think that it was a supplementary rule book of some sort. Considering you have to download and print out all of the BFG rules now, I figured 'What the frak!' Anyway, mine was the top bid: $26.00! So, my first time out on e-bay, I won!
Well, it just arrived. . .a sizeable box which, when I unwrapped it, contained the entire vintage, BFG starter set! The box is slightly banged up, but the ships are all still attached to the sprues, the templates have not been punched out of the cards, and the rule book looks as if it was hardly ever opened!
For $26.00!!!!
The Emperor loves me!:party:
 

·
Watcher In The Sky
Joined
·
1,083 Posts
You git.....the entire starter set for the cost of a box of cruisers. Result there I think.
 

·
I was very, VERY drunk.
Joined
·
612 Posts
I hope this isn't off topic, but it pertains to BFG in my future. For the first time I resorted to e-bay (& paypal) & bid on something called "BFG Armada Supplement". The word 'supplement' led me to think that it was a supplementary rule book of some sort. Considering you have to download and print out all of the BFG rules now, I figured 'What the frak!' Anyway, mine was the top bid: $26.00! So, my first time out on e-bay, I won!
Well, it just arrived. . .a sizeable box which, when I unwrapped it, contained the entire vintage, BFG starter set! The box is slightly banged up, but the ships are all still attached to the sprues, the templates have not been punched out of the cards, and the rule book looks as if it was hardly ever opened!
For $26.00!!!!
The Emperor loves me!:party:
Awsome, man. I share your happiness - it's great when things like that happen!!:)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
BFG seems to be making a comeback of sorts in popularity, having just received rules for AM ships and being restored to the UK/ US/ Australian online stores. One of the best things about BFG is it's the biggest specialist game, but it's still a specialist game- it gets the most attention of a neglected bunch. As someone who enjoyed 3rd edition 40k and 5th edition WHFB,I've seen GW destroy 2 games I loved by showing them too much attention and have since stopped playing both. BFG is in a perfect state of stasis where it's just under the radar enough that it'll be given a pass when the opportunity to revise it comes by. Very few ships and maybe only a couple rules here or there really need fixing, so personally I'd rather just be thankful for what the game is right now than wish to attract any kind of negative attention.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,348 Posts
Judging from his post, I'm going to assume 40k and WHFB...

I didn't particularly like the jump from 3rd ed 40k to 4th ed either, I think 3rd was much better. I do quite like 6th and 7th WHFB though, however, I didn't really experience 5th ed. From what I have experienced it was a big change to 6th, but I think a good one overall.

There is a thread in the rumours forum now talking about an announcement from GW bringing specialist games back into the spotlight, and even having them for sale in Australia. This is a good step, they will never receive as much attention as WHFB or 40k but they each have their own fanbase and are great games for a change from WHFB or 40k. I think one of the issues is they are a lot cheaper than the mainstream games so GW can't make anywhere near as much money off them, I picked up 2 fleets over 2000 points for around $400 US, you couldn't even do that with 1 army in WHFB or 40k. And Bloodbowl only needs 15-20 models for a team, just to give a couple of examples.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Yes, 40k and WHFB were what I had in mind.

The transition from 3rd to 4th edition saw a marked decrease in army-specific rules and concepts. There were some pretty bad abuses and loopholes, but it was an improvement over 2nd edition despite seeing the removal of some interesting concepts (like overwatch). 5th edition continues the trend, to the point where the rules are embarrassingly simple and all the armies are essentially the same (like how songs on a pop album can sound all exactly alike). 40k suffered the worst because of its massive popularity; GW is a business run by shareholders. New players are the best source of revenue, not veterans, so the best way to attract new players is to write and rewrite, release and rerelease, constantly fix and revise rules that aren't broken. To attract younger audience the game had to get easier to play without actually reading the rulebook. For older players who grew up playing a more in-depth system, 5th edition is a travesty. Or not, if you like the direction it's taking (like turning chess into checkers).

Fantasy is slightly better off because it doesn't have a Space Marine equivalent (who, by themselves, account for 65% of GW's total revenue). My only real complaint with the new systems (6th/ 7th) was the shift in focus from heroes to armies, particularly with regards to the magic phase and magic items. Magic was consolidated into the core rulebook and heroes lost a lot of their caliber. For a game where the average army doesn't exceed 100 models, it's hard to think of Warhammer being about armies so much as a skirmish involving a handful of units per side. The last 2 army books were something of an improvement over their previous incarnations, but still not what they were in 5th edition. Again, though, incessant updating is a side-effect of too much attention. With BFG, problems with ships or game mechanics are longer-term, but the fact they got it almost 100% right the first time around means they really don't need many corrections (except a few ships here or there and those tragic NC rules).
 

·
LO Ninja
Joined
·
1,214 Posts
(who, by themselves, account for 65% of GW's total revenue).
SMurfs account for 60%ish of WH40K sales, not total sales. SM out sell the nearest army (chaos) by 3/1 last i heard. Personaly i can handle constant SM updates as long as all that profit goes into new models/rules/etc.

PL
 
1 - 17 of 17 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top