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So I have some rules questions here for my brave Guardsmen:

1) Units that Deep Strike can Rapid Fire when they hit the ground, right?

2) Is a Storm Bolter a one-handed weapon or a two-handed one? I'm trying to model one onto an Officer, but before I do I need a clear ruling.

3) I want to put a Heavy Bolter Guardsman on those medium-sized bases in the GW base bag - not the normal Guardsman base, and not a true HW base, just enough for one Joe with a HB propped up on some rocks in front of him. What's the ruling on base sizes? I thought you could use larger ones, but not smaller ones, and that HWs for Guard could be individually based, as long as the bases were BIGGER but not SMALLER for the models. Thoughts?
 

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Storm Bolters, at least per codex SM are two handed weapons.
As far as I am aware you can always use a base that is bigger than the base the model is meant to be on but not one that is smaller, though I would think that this would have realistic limitations, I cant see anyone allowing you to mount each of your guardsmen on a Dreadnought base and calling them inside coherency when they spread out across the whole board.
 

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For #1, short answer is 'yes'. Check p.84, 'Deep Strike', last paragraph.
 

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1) As noted: Yes.

2) It's listed as 2-H in the DH codex, at least.

3) Generally the rule is that you must use the same size or larger base for a given model. However, the HWTs are kinda odd, in that they're really TWO models based together. So as long as you have one "team-member" based on a normal small infantry base, and the other one on the medium-sized one, I would imagine you'd be ok. At least, I can't really imagine anyone complaining about it. Putting both members on the medium-sized base would be a no-no, though =).

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I can't imagine even putting two models and a weapon for an HWT on a medium sized base. Good luck, but I'd agree it's a no-no.
 

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The current HW Team rules allow the models to be placed seperately but (because the loader can take over for the shooter) they must maintain a seperate coheirency with eachother, on top of the coheirency for the whole squad. Aside from that, the base size for them is the standard base...seriously. The HW Base is a scenic base GW gave for fun (for them) and confuzion (for us.)

Points for Basing/Modeling Guard HW Team:
1. May be modeled as two models
2. Both must look the part (loader/shooter)
3. Both must be on ATLEAST standard guard base.
 

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I can't imagine even putting two models and a weapon for an HWT on a medium sized base. Good luck, but I'd agree it's a no-no.
He's only putting one model on the medium base, the other guy will get his own small base.

Common consensus is that it's fine to put them on normal size bases. If you ask around, you'll most likely find a lot of the IG players here kitbash the Rocket Launchers from the Heavy Weapon team kits onto their regular platoon units to save the large bases for Autocannons etc.

2. Both must look the part (loader/shooter)
Actually there's no restriction on that at all. Your Gunner could be doing a dance on top of his Lascannon while a completely unrelated model could be flicking through a porno, or whatever magazine Guardsmen read to pass the time and it'd still count as a Heavy Weapons Crew. All you actually need is the Heavy Weapon and two men you specify as being part of the Heavy Weapon Crew.

Really, Gunner and Loader are defunct terms from the last codex. Now our men just function as a Heavy Weapons Crew. So to satisfy WYSIWYG you just need the specified heavy weapon and two guardsmen to go with it, the position and poses they're modeled in are irrelevant as there's no specification as to how the Crew is supposed to behave (i.e. one must be posed with ammunition and the other must be posed firing the gun. There's really no specification as such for any race's heavy weapon crewmember).

Now whether or not it'd just look plain stupid is another matter...
 

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I meant, as per WYSIWYG, that the two HW Team models need to be specifiable. You can't just pick any old guardsmen for it as that leaves to much room for fudging. SOMETHING must seperate them fromt he run of the mill guardsmen for them to be on the team. I used the term loader and shooter as a simple way to distinguish them. They don't actually have to be loading and shooting. As you said, they could be dancing and reading porno, just as long as their the only ones doing it so no confusion as to who they are ensues.
 

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Thanks for all the replies! I just didn't want to have to go out and buy a DH or SM codex when I already own a IG one that doesn't include Storm Bolter rules - the presupposition there seems to be that you already own a SM codex if you're playing IG...

As for the DS rules, I played a game last week where I DSed a 10-strong squad of Stormies behind a Shokk Attak Gun toting Ork, and only got him 2x with meltas because I thought you could only fire Assault weapons on DS. Bully for me, he templated them next turn and rolled two 6s for the STR. Gah.

As for the WYSIWYG rule there, it wouldn't be a problem to stick a few boxes of heavy bolter ammo on the ground around one of my Joes just to placate the angry few. It'll add some more character to them anyway, even though I agree with Triumph's interpretation of the rules. It's rather silly, really, that for separately-based HW teams they'd have to look the part when if they're on the SAME large base they don't have to look related at all.

If I could find a porno mag for one to read, that would be absolutely OUTSTANDING.
 

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Thanks for all the replies! I just didn't want to have to go out and buy a DH or SM codex when I already own a IG one that doesn't include Storm Bolter rules - the presupposition there seems to be that you already own a SM codex if you're playing IG...
Erm. Codex: Imperial Guard has storm bolters under "two-handed weapons" on pg 34 (with the actual stat line in the summary sheet at the back).

So you didn't need the SM codex anyway.
 

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3) I want to put a Heavy Bolter Guardsman on those medium-sized bases in the GW base bag - not the normal Guardsman base, and not a true HW base, just enough for one Joe with a HB propped up on some rocks in front of him. What's the ruling on base sizes? I thought you could use larger ones, but not smaller ones, and that HWs for Guard could be individually based, as long as the bases were BIGGER but not SMALLER for the models. Thoughts?
Imperial guard FAQ - the large bases are just movement trays. If you can fit them onto a 25mm round unslotted it's fine (I love ox from shaeffers, and have some old, old shoulder mounted plastics. (in fact about 15 still unstuck) - the barrels just look a bit naff
 
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