Why did they stop payign for it? They have engough money to spare.

It could be becuase if people play that model sales will go down. They can do what magic did to coutn er act that maek you buy the models for use in the game.

 

GW blow my mind. They produce products that have a very high profit margin, use publications that double as reading material and double as a marketing tool to sell their stuff (White Dwarf) and then they say they can't sink money into something else.

Maybe the UK division is better, but I know a 2 different store owners that say GW is very hard to deal with. One store stopped carrying their product and the other one is currenty in a dispute with them and is since buying GW stuff through a 3rd party vendor.

When dialing woth some gaming companies it isn't as bad, but GW does 2 things incorrectly:

1) They don't listen to their fan base


2) They do nothing to hide the fact they are money hungry vampires that are constantly looking for a way to charge more for their products without giving raising the standard of their line up


Before I hear that every company is out to make money blah blah blah, you don't need to do it this way.

I have fun with their stuff just like everyone else, I just don't like the sales and marketing division.

Hopefully the online game proves to be awesome. I would like to give it a try as I very much enjoy warhammer fluff.

Crossing my fingers...

 

Warhammer online is still alive and kicking, atleast according to a sidenote in PCgamer. They haven't found a publisher yet but GW still gives financial support and advice on the product, thats all I know.

 

I don't understand the backlash against this.

GW is a financial entity that seeks to make profit like any other business. If the cost of capital used to invest in this project will not provide greater returns than if it were invested in another area (facility expansion, opening of new locales, etc.) it makes business sense to terminate.

In exchange for money, they provide a product. We buy that product because its value is equal to what GW charges. Market equilibrium means that if the product is overpriced, people will find alternatives that provide similar benefits. Since we're still playing, the product provides benefit relative to its cost.

 

In exchange for money, they provide a product. We buy that product because its value is equal to what GW charges. Market equilibrium means that if the product is overpriced, people will find alternatives that provide similar benefits. Since we're still playing, the product provides benefit relative to its cost.

They are a monopoly on their copyrighted material, they then use this monopoly to sell plastic for 40$ (CDN). Can you see why some players have a problem with them?

 

They are a monopoly on their copyrighted material, they then use this monopoly to sell plastic for 40$ (CDN). Can you see why some players have a problem with them?

Weak.

That's not a monopoly.

That's like saying the Coca-Cola Company has a monopoly on Coca-Cola.

 

its not really that they have a monopoly. its just that there there is no decent competition. dont blame a company for trying to make money. hey atleast there products are not made by people who get payed less than 2 bucks and hour

it also seems to me that all modelling hobbies are over priced. just look at model trains and stuuf hrrgm.....and eh ehghgff and ofcourse there is grhhgffg (sorry i ran out of examples)

 

In all honesty, the idea of Warhammer Online is weak. The market is saturated right now with very good fantasy and science fiction online games and IMHO I don't think WO has a realistic chance at grabbing a significant market share.

It was a smart move to get out while they could. Anyone that understands the term 'throwing good money after bad' can see the situation they were in.

Sure WO as a 'gimmick' would have drawn in a decent initial crowd, maybe even one that could make the whole idea break even. But mmorpg usually have a very large drop off of subscribers after the first couple of months and if your product is only breaking even at that point then you are just going to start losing money.

As a business move it was a good one for GW. I wouldn't doubt that they still have a clause in the contract for WO that says if looks profitable then GW has the option to buy back in.

 

I disagree. WO was "revolutionary" in many ways. It strayed away into vastly uncharted territory (magic system, profession progression), even as MMO's go. It took a good deal of what was bad in most MMO's and made it better, and in a way that is still familiar to Warhammer fans. I also think that nearing production, with more advertising, the primary fan base would not be Wargamers. Although all the initial hype came from warhammer fanboys who discovered that their beloved world was going digital, the game would soon expand to a larger genre. DoW for instance was originally picked up by the 40k'ers, but nearing release and soon after the target demographic shifted. Point is, GW still has alot to make from this game, and with 2-3 years spent shoveling money into it, I think they should spend the extra year and at least recoup their "loses".

 

GW blow my mind. They produce products that have a very high profit margin, use publications that double as reading material and double as a marketing tool to sell their stuff (White Dwarf) and then they say they can't sink money into something else.

Maybe the UK division is better, but I know a 2 different store owners that say GW is very hard to deal with. One store stopped carrying their product and the other one is currenty in a dispute with them and is since buying GW stuff through a 3rd party vendor.

When dialing woth some gaming companies it isn't as bad, but GW does 2 things incorrectly:

1) They don't listen to their fan base


2) They do nothing to hide the fact they are money hungry vampires that are constantly looking for a way to charge more for their products without giving raising the standard of their line up


Before I hear that every company is out to make money blah blah blah, you don't need to do it this way.

I have fun with their stuff just like everyone else, I just don't like the sales and marketing division.

Hopefully the online game proves to be awesome. I would like to give it a try as I very much enjoy warhammer fluff.

Crossing my fingers...

I find it funny how many people really have a dislike for GW - yet still play their games. First and foremost we need to look at Warhammer for what it is - a hobby. Hobbies cost money. If you can't afford your hobby you don't do it or you buy what you need a little at a time until you have what you want.

As a company they are of course geared towards making profit. If they weren't making profit they would't still make their product. How are they not raising the standard of their line? Their current plastics are a hell of a lot more detailed than their old ones and of a much higher quality.

As for their use of advertising through White Dwarf - compared to most companies their advertising is limited. You don't tend to see commercials from them, newspaper ads, etc. You don't even see much advertising for them in other gaming/hobby magazines. Why shouldn't they take their own publication and showcase what they have coming out?

I don't work for Games Workshop. I am a gaming enthusiast that likes their games. I buy what I want when I can afford it and I am happy. I think their customer service is top notch and they have always been very helpful in getting me replacement parts when they were defective and they were always polite and professional. While I prefer shopping on my own - you have to admit it is kind of nice that in their stores they are more than willing to help you out. How many stores have you shopped in where the employees could give a damn if you were in there let alone even say a nice little hello? Every time I go into a GW store I am greeted and if I have any questions they are more than willing to stop whatever they were doing and help me out. I would take that any day over being ignored.

I am just so sick and tired of people bashing GW just because it seems the trendy thing to do right now. Besides I have found that most people who "hate" GW just don't have the money to invest in their "hobby". If you truly didn't like the company you wouldn't have anything to do with it - including playing their games!

On to Warhammer Online. I was very much looking forward to it. I play computer games - but never got into any online games. I found them boring. However I was very interested in how this one was progressing. I really do hope someone else picks it up so that it will see the light of day someday. That said I can see why GW pulled out. They had invested so much money into the game that they came to a point where if they were to continue they would not be able to recoup their investments. As much as we would all love an altruistic game company that didn't care about profits but rather their players enjoyments - that isn't very realistic.

Cheers,

-Mike

 

I think its funny that people here think GW are making some huge profit. Haven't you noticed how fast GW stock has been dropping lately? Like down 48% in the last 6 months?

 

Well, GW is a good company, they make extremly high quality goods, and, from my experiances, they have very good customer support.

However, I don't understand why I am paying more than $30US for 10 Peices of molded plastic. I hope you all realize that that box, the wrapping, the models themselves, and the decals all together didn't cost GW more than $5US to make.

The same applies to any of the other models they make, and then price.

Again, high quality product and company..but they would be just fine with lowered prices.

I also remember them banning the sale of their products online awhile back. I don't know where that stands today..but I know that I could get very good deals online untill this ban came into place, and I was forced to drive for an hour to get to the only store "near" me with GW goods.

 

Also got to remember that the people atcually doing all the work need to be paid. And with GWs new expanding retail campaign they have to pay a lot of new employees. :mellow:

 

Well, GW is a good company, they make extremly high quality goods, and, from my experiances, they have very good customer support.

However, I don't understand why I am paying more than $30US for 10 Peices of molded plastic. I hope you all realize that that box, the wrapping, the models themselves, and the decals all together didn't cost GW more than $5US to make.

The same applies to any of the other models they make, and then price.

Again, high quality product and company..but they would be just fine with lowered prices.

I also remember them banning the sale of their products online awhile back. I don't know where that stands today..but I know that I could get very good deals online untill this ban came into place, and I was forced to drive for an hour to get to the only store "near" me with GW goods.

You will find that even the plastics (which to my understanding is a much more involved process than pewter) are relatively in line with other manufaturers and the quality is usually much better. Not to mention all of the "extra" pieces that are generally lacking in other manufacturer products.

Also you can still buy GW stuff from online sources at a discount. Most of the places that still stock it require you to call them or e-mail them as from what I understand - online retailers that offer a discount on GW product can't display prices. You can't really blame them as a company for doing this as they were competing against other stores on their own product. Sure I like to buy my miniatures at the best possible price but that is still no reason to "bash" GW. Just remember that Warhammer isn't something you "Need" it is something you "Want". If you want something bad enough you will pay what it costs. If you can't afford it then you should find something more affordable. It is after all a luxury item. Also when you look at the big picture of different hobbies - Warhammer is usually less expensive than other things. I bet if you were really into snowboarding, biking, paintball, etc. you would end up spending a lot more money than you would making a decent army. It is all relative.

Cheers,

-Mike

 

Mythic has picked up this game and they are in my opinion the best mmorpg maker out there, so there is hope for Warhammer Online yet. I have some info up on my site about it if you are interested.

http://www.warhammeroffline.com/

 

Also when you look at the big picture of different hobbies - Warhammer is usually less expensive than other things. I bet if you were really into snowboarding, biking, paintball, etc. you would end up spending a lot more money than you would making a decent army. It is all relative.

Very true. Especially with sports like cycling, just one of those bikes is worth 30 times a warhammer army.

 

Mythic has picked up this game and they are in my opinion the best mmorpg maker out there, so there is hope for Warhammer Online yet. I have some info up on my site about it if you are interested.

http://www.warhammeroffline.com/

Ugh. I can only hope that they at least draw from the ideas of the first, which was on the path to being the best MMORPG out there. I can't understand why GW would drop it. I just hope they do roughly the same thing, and don't just copy and paste the formula for a dozen other MMORPGs into the Warhammer world.

 

In exchange for money, they provide a product. We buy that product because its value is equal to what GW charges. Market equilibrium means that if the product is overpriced, people will find alternatives that provide similar benefits. Since we're still playing, the product provides benefit relative to its cost.

HAHAHAHAHA! Oh god, I'm holding my sides.

Dude, take a swing over to eBay and see just how much GW products are "worth" I bet you won't find a single box of Dark Eldar warriors selling for USD $30.00 (The guy selling them would be lucky to get TEN dollars), or just about anything else that sells on eBay for what GW tries to charge for it.

I never ever (ever ever ever ever (( is that enough evers?))) buy anything from a GW outlet or from GW's web page unless it's a bitz order that I just can't get by any other means. Otherwise, I shop where I can purchase GW products for what they are worth (No, I'm not going to drop any names because I'm sure GW has their spies on LO, and they will shut them down, especially since where I purchase from has a %30 discount) OR I go get what I need off of eBay where I can get upwards of %50 discount on a good bid.

no trips to the county, I aint for that walk,
H0urg1ass

 

http://www.warhammeralliance.net/

forums and info site for anyone interested in warhammer online. mark jacobs the ceo of mythic and lead designer of warhammer online is an active member of the forums and even chats in the irc chat on occasion. the game is shaping up to be awesome and i have high expectations for it. there is already an alpha build and mark says that the world will be amazed at the amount of content shown at e3 in 6 months.
give it a look