[Raptors]

i asked why vets night had been cancelled and they said there wasnt enough man power to cover it. they still have enough to cover two young gamers nights though thursday an sunday.

please dont post saying young gamers spend more money as this is complete crap where my store is concerned.

i have posted this thread as a few people expressed a wish to know what happened. this is not ment to discuss who loves or hates gw again

 

[Brother Ares]

Man i feel srry for you. Maybe they should run one vets night and one for younger gamers.

 

[slorak]

Do they get a bigger turn out for the young gamers night vs the vet night? If so that could be a big reason why they are doing the young player night vs. having one for the vet night.

Maybe you could work to coordinate with them on trying out a vet night at least once a month or at least see if there is anything that can be done to bring it back. Who knows maybe there just isn't enough interest to warrant the extra staff?

Cheers,

-Mike

 

[Jon23516]

i asked why vets night had been cancelled and they said there wasnt enough man power to cover it. they still have enough to cover two young gamers nights though thursday an sunday.

please dont post saying young gamers spend more money as this is complete crap where my store is concerned.

i have posted this thread as a few people expressed a wish to know what happened. this is not ment to discuss who loves or hates gw again

Greetings,

I realize that I'm jumping in mid-conversation so please keep that in mind.

I skimmed through that other thread as it broke down into GW-hating.

I suppose I should ask for some clarification; when you say that Vet Night has been cancelled, do you mean that the store closes hours earlier instead of staying open for a Vet Night? That would seem to support the man-power angle. However, if the store would still be open but no extra Red Shirts to manage or oversee the Vet Night, then you have options.

As a quick aside... It has always surprised me that players in general, not pointing any fingers, seem to believe that GW should organize things for them. "GW needs to run more tournaments" seems to be a common complaint.

As long as GW has the tables set up and are going to be open, why not ask a Red Shirt, "What's going on Thursday night? May I bring 3 friends and use 2 of your tables between 6 and 9 pm?" You can call it a "tournament" if you would like. You are providing warm bodies in the store with ready-made games for newer, younger and perhaps players-to-be to watch and observe. Of course they might have something planned for that time slot but work with them. When it is all said and done, a well-run GW store wants to be busy, and if that can't happen then they want to LOOK busy. GW stores are located to attract foot traffic, suggested by their placement in malls. Any "busyness" that is generated without using GW man-power is to their benefit and I can't imagine why they would discourage or prevent it.

Good luck,
Jon

 

[Raptors]

Do they get a bigger turn out for the young gamers night vs the vet night? If so that could be a big reason why they are doing the young player night vs. having one for the vet night.

Maybe you could work to coordinate with them on trying out a vet night at least once a month or at least see if there is anything that can be done to bring it back. Who knows maybe there just isn't enough interest to warrant the extra staff?

Cheers,

-Mike

we had six tables running from 4 till 8 and unless i was having a good month i was lucky to play 3 times a month i have offered to work the vet night as a volentier and would quite happely give up four hours a week every week to be involved in the games i love so much

 

[Knape97]

Remember that most GW staff run the vet nights in their OWN time, also due to changes in the way GW contracts its staff most do not get paid for running the nights.

 

[Raptors]

Remember that most GW staff run the vet nights in their OWN time, also due to changes in the way GW contracts its staff most do not get paid for running the nights.

which as i have already said i would do happily

 

[Knape97]

GW are hardly likely to hand you the keys to their store and let you run it solo.

 

[Raptors]

GW are hardly likely to hand you the keys to their store and let you run it solo.

yeah cause thats exactly what i said. what i actually was trying to say but didnt realise i would have to go into as much detail is that i would help out free of charge instead of game. they could get references and interview me if the didnt feel as if they knew me already after the vast ammount of years i have been going there?

 

[Knape97]

well, how were you going to "run their vet nights for them happily" if they wernt there? Either they are there and running it themselves, or they are not there and the store is closed.

 

[Raptors]

well, how were you going to "run their vet nights for them happily" if they wernt there? Either they are there and running it themselves, or they are not there and the store is closed.

or maybe an extra pair of hands could help with the original problem

 

[Knape97]

of not being paid to be there? unless you are gonna pay them I dont see how you help with the underlying problem ^_^

 

[AlterEGo]

You could always organize with the vets in your area and make your own tables and find a place to do this since you guys are so enthusiatic about playing. So that you don't have to depends on the ladies in red all the time. Yeah I know you need alot of space but Im sure someones gotta have a basement you could build it in or something.

 

[Raptors]

of not being paid to be there?

?????? im genuinely not being sarcastic i just cant work out what it was ment to be??????


unless you are gonna pay them I dont see how you help with the underlying problem ^_^

do you realy not see how when the underlining problem is that there are not enough hands on deck to cover three late nights of gaming that some one offering to help for free might posibly be an answer or at worst something to think about yet you seem to dismiss this like im an idiot.

if you dont get this consept then i realy dont know what more to say

 

[Raptors]

You could always organize with the vets in your area and make your own tables and find a place to do this since you guys are so enthusiatic about playing. So that you don't have to depends on the ladies in red all the time. Yeah I know you need alot of space but Im sure someones gotta have a basement you could build it in or something.

it also cost's lots of cash and when i first got into the games i was told i would have somewhere to play them localy and regualy

 

[slorak]

it also cost's lots of cash and when i first got into the games i was told i would have somewhere to play them localy and regualy

It sounds like you did have a place to locally play on a regular basis. At the time they told you this it was most likely true. However you can't expect it to last forever can you?

Just so I understand - Based on something you mentioned earlier - I get the impression the vet games were happening at night after normal store hours? Is this correct? Or at the very least was the store kept open later than normal for vet nights? If that is the case - you probably can't do anything if they don't want to pay or support the overtime and employees to run the event.

What is stopping you guys (vets) from playing the other nights? Will they stop you guys from playing because it is beginner night?

Cheers,

-Mike

 

[Raptors]

It sounds like you did have a place to locally play on a regular basis. At the time they told you this it was most likely true. However you can't expect it to last forever can you? "

this comment realy troubles me why on earth can i not expect a company started be gaming lovers who have got where they are today and filled there pockets with mine and all of ours money to keep up with the standards promised, GW have asked more of us if you are from the uk just look in this months WD and see more price rises and yet its not ok to ask for even the same level of customer service.
maybe i am being to harsh but in every thread and on every post i have read i have never heard i good argument for why i should not expect this continuing standard

"Just so I understand - Based on something you mentioned earlier - I get the impression the vet games were happening at night after normal store hours? Is this correct? Or at the very least was the store kept open later than normal for vet nights? If that is the case - you probably can't do anything if they don't want to pay or support the overtime and employees to run the event."

yes it was kept open

"What is stopping you guys (vets) from playing the other nights? Will they stop you guys from playing because it is beginner night? "

yes they are

 

[slorak]

My point about things not lasting wasn't meant to be critical to what you were saying and I hope it didn't come across like that. What I meant was - a lot of things change from what they used to be. Looking at GW terms - My local store used to be open earlier in the day and open ever day. Now they are closed on Mondays and don't open until 2:00 pm. Things change and not always for the better. I am not from the UK (the US) so I didn't see the price change in the UK however they do rise here in the US as well. I don't think it is quite fair though to equate the way GW used to do things in relation to how they do them now with rising prices. As what has been covered quite a bit in other posts we really don't have a full grasp over the full spectrum that goes into increasing prices. So just because something is now a bit more expensive doesn't mean they necessarily have the means to continue exactly as they used to.

Since they were keeping the store open beyond normal business hours it is quite understandable now if they don't have the means to continue it. It sucks but it is understandable.

Maybe I am missing something else here - but when they say you can't play on new player night - what exactly are they telling you? Is there a reason why they won't let you play against new players? What exactly would differentiate you from a new player? That doesn't seem quite right on their part. As for having a new player night vs. a vet night - do they get a lot more interest with the new players vs. the vets. I know you said you can get a crowd large enough for the vets but are there even more new players? That might be a reason why they run two new player nights vs. a vet night.

If they won't let you play in the store you may have to find some other location. Hopefully you can work something out with the staff?!

Good luck non-the-less

Cheers,

-Mike

 

[Raptors]

My point about things not lasting wasn't meant to be critical to what you were saying and I hope it didn't come across like that. What I meant was - a lot of things change from what they used to be. Looking at GW terms - My local store used to be open earlier in the day and open ever day. Now they are closed on Mondays and don't open until 2:00 pm. Things change and not always for the better. I am not from the UK (the US) so I didn't see the price change in the UK however they do rise here in the US as well. I don't think it is quite fair though to equate the way GW used to do things in relation to how they do them now with rising prices. As what has been covered quite a bit in other posts we really don't have a full grasp over the full spectrum that goes into increasing prices. So just because something is now a bit more expensive doesn't mean they necessarily have the means to continue exactly as they used to.

again this may be true and as you say we have no real grasp on the finacial issue but again i say i have not heard a good argument to back up this claim and can therefore only go on what i feel is right. that is that there is nothing changed at GW that should possibly mean that adoring fans of the game should be treated any differently to before(ahh the good old days, damn my hips just gone)i do know that a lot of money was spent on vets nights at my store and that GW have lost money on LOTR therefore posibly needing cut backs but the two statements dont lay well together as the cost of two peoples tiny GW wages has always been far outwayed by the ammount of stuff bought on vets nights

last but not least they want to seperate the young gamers (16 an under) from vets(16 an over)i think GW have a moral stand point and responsibality to young gamers and there parents to keep them away from the cultural diferences between young and old which i completly agree with but to have two nights dedicated to youth rather than any dedicated to vets, as i have explained before i was lucky to get a game on our vets nights and we only have six tables available(obviously 12 over the 4 hour period)at the store so i could understand if we didnt fill the shop and YG did but we do you can only fit the same ammount of people in the shop if its full

again sincerely thanks for your comments slorak i only hope we can find something we agree on one day and then we can share in our mutal admiration for something

 

[Andusciassus]

I think you should try to get a place of your own. It seems like you are a bunch of devoted gamers, and like you are old enough for some responsibility.
Why not start a club and try to take it from there?
I understand that you are annoyed at the "no-more-vet-nights"thing but many of us never had it in the first place and we still manage to get a game every once and again.
If you are at school try asking your art teacher for some help, if you show your minis to him/her he/she most likely will be quite happy that you are into modeling and painting.