[Ignis]

Any word on the releasedate as well?
I hope for one really nice TH/SS Model...

Since the whole =I= got skipped at the Battle Missions that would be great to know..

 

[Oiad]

Not me, never use those weapons and am a NFW user all the way. I hope for those who do want TH/SS that they do bits.

Anyway, just a couple of points to start with and maybe a lot more later.

GW should realise that pure GK/Sob forces are much more competitive and well-loved (I know there are many who also prefer Inqs and Radicals) so I'm hoping they'll bring both of them to the front and push the Inquisitors to the back. So it will be Codex: Grey Knights and Codex Sisters of Battle.
Inquisitors will still be available as choices and in the fluff but will not be as dominant. This will allow the Eccel' models that many SoBs want to be bought back int the fold too. I don't see hardcore SoB fans getting their 'Ecclesiarchy' only approach as GW will be keen to keep Inquisitors selling. They will still be linked to the SoB. You'll just get Priest and the such available too.
It would also mean that players currently using these armies won't have to change too much hopefully.

Someone mentioned that they fear these armies becoming less competitive. I really doubt that will happen, especially as (apart from pure SoB maybe) most of these armies are already seen as hard to play compared to other armies. I think whatever happens, GW will push both codicies in the right direction. It's never strong improvments for ever unit but I expect the majority of the units will see a boost to make the competitive. Which means expect more players to appear, even after the initial release.

Lastly, I'm unsure about Xeno Hunters. They may get a section in a combined codex (still a possibility) but I doubt they'll get their own. I'd put $5 on it.

 

[King Ulrik Flamebeard]

GW should realise that pure GK/Sob forces are much more competitive and well-loved (I know there are many who also prefer Inqs and Radicals) so I'm hoping they'll bring both of them to the front and push the Inquisitors to the back. So it will be Codex: Grey Knights and Codex Sisters of Battle.
Inquisitors will still be available as choices and in the fluff but will not be as dominant. This will allow the Eccel' models that many SoBs want to be bought back int the fold too. I don't see hardcore SoB fans getting their 'Ecclesiarchy' only approach as GW will be keen to keep Inquisitors selling. They will still be linked to the SoB. You'll just get Priest and the such available too.

I hope that you are half right. Sisters should have their own codex, because they are much more of a army and are the Eccleciarchy's defenders. I can see them having a wide array of options available to them and would act as an army in their own right. The Grey Knights however, I do not feel they deserve their own book. The main reason being that Grey Knights are one small chapter and deal with only daemonic beings. They are not as diverse or seen as other space marine chapters.

Kuffy

 

[A.T.]

Someone mentioned that they fear these armies becoming less competitive.

What I fear is that they'll be dumbed down (i.e. back to the old style of faith rolls for sisters) and that some of the existing models will take a bit of a hammering to help highlight how insane a newly released £40-50 unit/model is.

Not that there is much room for the DH codex to get gimped but there are still a few good WH units.

 

[Oiad]

Hmm, I think that the DH could be filled out quite a lot. It just takes a bit more creativety to expand on the fluff.
I see the name irratates people as much as the notion of C: SoB & C: I irratate me. I guess too there's some consensus here that the codecies have to fit in with Imperial Hierarchy. They don't.

First to what you've said about GKs. GKs may not have the manpower of the Eccleciarchy but the Grey Knights in total are more numerous than all but a couple of the Space Marine Chapters (Ultras & SW, I think?)
Secondly - for their role in the Imperium. Let's not forget that the SoB's aren't really a force built to fight full xeno armies but more bands of mutants and heretics within the Imperium - a specialist area too. Yes there are incidences where they've fought Orks, Necrons etc, but I bet they weren't situations where command called them into to do the work and that they were more likely caught in the middle of the situation or more readily available then the nearest SM or Guard army. Unless it's an internal uprising, I bet 9/10 those two armies are the only ones considered for the role of taking out xeno incursions.
Just wouldn't knock the role of daemonic incursion just because it isn't as widespread as heresy.

In any case, I just don't see GW binding the codex just because of fluff-to-army size as you've suggested. If scale and use of forces mattered we'd have several codicies for Imperieal Guard armies such as Cadia et al and not the half dozen SM codieces we have currently. No they prove that it will be on popularity and sales. The bottom line - GW are a company. GKs are nearly as popular as SoB and as I've said before alot of DH players play pure GK armies - as much as SoB players do I'd say.

I don't want to totally blank out Inquisitors as there is a high interest there and I would interested to learn more about it too on both sides. It's just that a lot of issues I read from DH players tends to focus the GK side rather than the overall Inqusition side and that I bet most DH players would like a larger GK focus, considering that the DH codex is largely Inquisitor focused (IMO). My vote goes like this, as GW love their themes - We'll get either;

C: GK & C: SoB
or
C: E (Eccleciarchy) & C: I (Inquisition)
or
C: IA (Imperial Agencies [Combined])

I guess what this rattles down to is getting slightly OCDC about the titling. I do like the second one best as I'm guessing most would but the name suggests it excludes Inquisitors from the SoB force. I just doubt it will happen as there are handfuls of WH players who like Inquisitors too. Hence why I think it would be best to go with the former titles as Inquisitors are known to co-operate meticulously in the issues of both forces but with actually being part of the army itself.

 

[MiketehFox]

I'd really love to be able to not only complete my OGK army, but also you know, play some games with it >.>

I think GW would be suprised at how popular GK would be if they were more viable.

Mike

 

[Oiad]

True, most people kind of tag on to this but never really say it. The more GW exposes an army, the popular it will become. It's that simple!

If they released a new GK or SoB codex more often than the SM codex I bet they'd be very popular too. It's kinda a 'Catch 21' thing and I wonder if GW know how much power they have over it?

 

[Darthvegeta800]

I hope that you are half right. Sisters should have their own codex, because they are much more of a army and are the Eccleciarchy's defenders. I can see them having a wide array of options available to them and would act as an army in their own right. The Grey Knights however, I do not feel they deserve their own book. The main reason being that Grey Knights are one small chapter and deal with only daemonic beings. They are not as diverse or seen as other space marine chapters.

Kuffy

I disagree my 'boys' need to be versatile too. Cultists, Chaos Space Marines etc are frequent opponents too.
And the GK's are among the best supplied Chapters. I see no reason to 'veto' my guys while other Chapters should have the right to retain their 'uniqueness'.

 

[oniwakamaru]

GW should realise that pure GK/Sob forces are much more competitive and well-loved (I know there are many who also prefer Inqs and Radicals) so I'm hoping they'll bring both of them to the front and push the Inquisitors to the back. So it will be Codex: Grey Knights and Codex Sisters of Battle.
Inquisitors will still be available as choices and in the fluff but will not be as dominant. This will allow the Eccel' models that many SoBs want to be bought back int the fold too. I don't see hardcore SoB fans getting their 'Ecclesiarchy' only approach as GW will be keen to keep Inquisitors selling. They will still be linked to the SoB. You'll just get Priest and the such available too.
It would also mean that players currently using these armies won't have to change too much hopefully.

I have to disagree with this sentiment, I think that no army should be "pushed to the back," so to speak. I think there should be fewer codexes like 4th ed. CSM, where the sentiment is "sure you can play anything but black legion if you want, but you're likely gimping yourself by doing so."

 

[Oiad]

Was not talking in terms of army-building or playing but in terms of the codex focus. By all means I'd rather that army lists were as flexible as possible but I feel that the Inquisitorial focus that GW went for in both the daemon-hunters and witch-hunters was too strong for many who'd rather have more info about the SoB and GKs.

 

[oniwakamaru]

Was not talking in terms of army-building or playing but in terms of the codex focus. By all means I'd rather that army lists were as flexible as possible but I feel that the Inquisitorial focus that GW went for in both the daemon-hunters and witch-hunters was too strong for many who'd rather have more info about the SoB and GKs.

Ah, I see, so what you are suggesting is similar to the 5th ed. SM codex then. Everyone gets a way to build their army, but the fluff focus is on the Ultramarines. Got it. Consider my above statement retracted.