The army would be top heavy. It would be rediculously expensive, and boring in my opinion. I have never heard of anyone doing this, people always say they want to though. I don't recomend it. Use Wraithguard as well like it was intended.numberofthebeastxxx said:
Wraithlords in an Iyaden army.
What do you guys think about 6 Wraithlords in an Iyaden army (since you can take them as troops)? Cheesy? Stupid? Tactical brilliance? Inquiring minds (mine) want to know!
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Illegal.numberofthebeastxxx said:What do you guys think about 6 Wraithlords in an Iyaden army (since you can take them as troops)? Cheesy? Stupid? Tactical brilliance? Inquiring minds (mine) want to know!
Only one Wraithlord per squad of Wraithguard, so you'd need six squads of Wraithguard to field six Wraithlords.
Iyanden can only take three Wraithlords, just like any other Eldar army.
Hmm... Didn't see this in the codex or the FAQ.Perhaps I missed it? Could you please point that out to me?Lost Nemesis said:Illegal.
Only one Wraithlord per squad of Wraithguard, so you'd need six squads of Wraithguard to field six Wraithlords.
Iyanden can only take three Wraithlords, just like any other Eldar army.
If it's legal I think it's quite feasible. They're only 120pts each with starcannons. 6 of them would be 720. I did the math and you can fit in 2 squads of scorpions, a squad of banshees, farseer, 3 warwalkers, and a vyper in an 1850pt game. Yes ppl would cry cheese, but it would be very effective.Loestal said:The army would be top heavy. It would be rediculously expensive, and boring in my opinion. I have never heard of anyone doing this, people always say they want to though. I don't recomend it. Use Wraithguard as well like it was intended.
heh 3 is tops, though I do have 5 wraithlord models... I should try it out sometime.
I think the sight of 6 would be pretty interesting though haha.
I think the sight of 6 would be pretty interesting though haha.
it's illegal cus in the iyanden army list it states that you need 1 wraithguard squad for every wraithlord ALSO the wraithguard and wraithlord are removed from the heavy support and put into troops (defenders are heavy, storm is fast attack, jetbikes and vypers are elites) and so are unable to be selected from their previous category's.
Even if it was legal, it would be cool to try although extremely cheesy!
Why would you want to screw wraithguard anyways, they are simply of of the universe's best units!
HPA
Why would you want to screw wraithguard anyways, they are simply of of the universe's best units!
HPA
I've fought against that list....the 3 Wraithlords, 3 squads of Wraithguard list. It was quite small in size and quite vulnerable to lots of hidden powerfists.
You're almost better off going with a standard craftworld unless you really like the fluff of Iyanden, or want to take other heavy support choices and the wraithlords.
You're almost better off going with a standard craftworld unless you really like the fluff of Iyanden, or want to take other heavy support choices and the wraithlords.
truly the only people i see playing iyanden is the guys who go oooh t8 hell yeh, trust me after a few games you quickly realize the truth that the iyanden list is crap and that you can still have 3 wl in a standard force but they will be much better supported, also wg are not one of the best their gun is a wg on the whole is not worth it's points
An Iyanden army isn't "crap" at all - in fact, it's one of my favourite armies, and I've done well with it. Out of the three games I played, I won two, and the third was a draw. Not exactly "crap" huh?Plague_00 said:truly the only people i see playing iyanden is the guys who go oooh t8 hell yeh, trust me after a few games you quickly realize the truth that the iyanden list is crap and that you can still have 3 wl in a standard force but they will be much better supported, also wg are not one of the best their gun is a wg on the whole is not worth it's points
They are just more difficult to use effectively, even moreso than a standard Eldar army, because of the limitations their troops have. Doesn't make them crap, and definitely doesn't make them impossible to win with. Just more difficult to win with.
Honestly, if it were able to take 6 Wraithlords, I probably would play the person a couple times - however, if they continued to field their list like that, and would utterly crush everyone, I would probably then stop playing them. I don't believe in cheese, not at all. But when it takes three Railguns to take down a single Lord - so, now that's 18 Railgun shots - as well as having room for other units because of the Lord's cost... it just gets absurd, in my opinion. Only a list such as, maybe, Armoured Company, or a list that was specifically designed to take on a list like it (lots of anti-tank weapons, etc.) would have an easy time against it. Otherwise, a balanced list would struggle, and as soon as the high-strength weapons are gone (with lots of Starcannons, not a problem), the balanced list will have no defense against the Wraithlords, in most cases.
But, it would be fun as a challenge to try and beat the list. :yes: Through use of tactics and instead of killing the Lords, go for the objectives. Would be fun for a while.
Just saying an army is crap due to personal preferance is abit bias, no army is crap because gamesworkshop needs game balance to keep players interested. Fair anough I can see that the army is harder to play effectively but they can fend for themselves just as easily as any other army, remember they don't only have to use wraithgaurd and wraithlords.truly the only people i see playing iyanden is the guys who go oooh t8 hell yeh, trust me after a few games you quickly realize the truth that the iyanden list is crap and that you can still have 3 wl in a standard force but they will be much better supported, also wg are not one of the best their gun is a wg on the whole is not worth it's points
Oh in addition t8 + 3 wounds makes the beasties hard to knock out, if the player doesn't expose the units too much (eg, place it in front of all of the opposing players guns) they can be more useful than you make them out to be.
EDIT: Nevermind. found it.
people can try to justify the list all they want, hey u know if you like it go for it!. The list is crap it severly limits ur choices cus face it who is gonna give up one of their heavy's or fast attack for guardians? and there is much better stuff in elites than vypers and bikes. In the end it's a list that never has any numbers on the feild and those that are there arn't all that good certainly not worth 35 points each. it comes down to if you like the wraithguard then go for it, but if you are doing it to jus get the wraithlords then go standard or another craftworld and jus take em as heavy's like i sed they are much better supported and your army will be much stronger.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "much stronger" - nor would I say, again, that "the list is crap." You really aren't supporting your point on this one.Plague_00 said:people can try to justify the list all they want, hey u know if you like it go for it!. The list is crap it severly limits ur choices cus face it who is gonna give up one of their heavy's or fast attack for guardians? and there is much better stuff in elites than vypers and bikes. In the end it's a list that never has any numbers on the feild and those that are there arn't all that good certainly not worth 35 points each. it comes down to if you like the wraithguard then go for it, but if you are doing it to jus get the wraithlords then go standard or another craftworld and jus take em as heavy's like i sed they are much better supported and your army will be much stronger.
If it's so crappy, tell me, why can I win with it? Why did I win with it, twice? And a draw the next time, out of only three games? Crappy lists don't win like that. I wasn't even playing a beginner - I was playing one of my friends, who's been at it a bit longer than I have.
So, I'm still failing to see why it's so crappy. I apologise, but it's just not getting to me here.
Few people, in general, tend to take very many Guardians, so I don't see where the problem is with moving them to FA/HS... they just won't be selected. You're right there - who would take them, unless it is just to get more numbers on the table? As for Elites, I disagree - Vypers help the Iyanden list extraordinarily well, giving a nice Mech feel to the list without using Wave Serpents on all the squads, so they can tango with the enemy as (if you so choose) your Wraithguard march up the field.
Really, you need to support your point a lot better. I don't think anyone here believes you when you say it's crappy.
I'm agreeing with nemesis here. (If it was legal). As I said in my previous post:
"I think it's quite feasible. They're only 120pts each with starcannons. 6 of them would be 720. I did the math and you can fit in 2 squads of scorpions, a squad of banshees, farseer, 3 warwalkers, and a vyper in an 1850pt game."
That's a decent army, I've seen smaller numbers in an eldar army. Plus, you could easily drop the 300pt war walker squadron above and get a whole bunch of guardians and beef up the elites, or get some dark reapers, etc. -720pts is nothing in my opinion in comparison to the devistation 6 wraithlords can lay down on an opponent. You still have 1130pts to fill out the army. I can see how this may be a problem for lovers of guardian heavy armies since they cannot be taken as troops, but for anyone with biel-tan experiance you can have your 3 aspects (four if you add reapers) backed up by 6 wraithlords. I cant see how this is not an effective list (although unfair).
"I think it's quite feasible. They're only 120pts each with starcannons. 6 of them would be 720. I did the math and you can fit in 2 squads of scorpions, a squad of banshees, farseer, 3 warwalkers, and a vyper in an 1850pt game."
That's a decent army, I've seen smaller numbers in an eldar army. Plus, you could easily drop the 300pt war walker squadron above and get a whole bunch of guardians and beef up the elites, or get some dark reapers, etc. -720pts is nothing in my opinion in comparison to the devistation 6 wraithlords can lay down on an opponent. You still have 1130pts to fill out the army. I can see how this may be a problem for lovers of guardian heavy armies since they cannot be taken as troops, but for anyone with biel-tan experiance you can have your 3 aspects (four if you add reapers) backed up by 6 wraithlords. I cant see how this is not an effective list (although unfair).
I think you're seeing it from the point of an army consisting of nothing but wraithgaurd and wraithlords. In that respect your point is valid to a certain point, but what player in their right mind would feild and army just purely of these units?In the end it's a list that never has any numbers on the feild and those that are there arn't all that good certainly not worth 35 points each.
As some other people have pointd out there are other units to support the wraithgaurd and wraithlords.
Well considering that wraithlords which were heavy can be chosen as troops it sort of balances out. But remember the idea of this army is that you don't have to field gaurdians. Fair enough there are people who like to just take 5 gaurdians and a starcannon but i think those sort of people play ulthwe.The list is crap it severly limits ur choices cus face it who is gonna give up one of their heavy's or fast attack for guardians?
So in this army if I chose not to take gaurdians my army would be able to have three wraithlords in addition to three other heavy support choses since there hasn't been any modifications made to the force organisation chart. In its own way this is quite powerful.
Hmmm you can't feild six wraithlords btw. Since you can't have more wraithlords than wraithgaurd squads, and wraithlords has been moved as a troops choice, not either troops or heavy.720pts is nothing in my opinion in comparison to the devistation 6 wraithlords can lay down on an opponent.
Hey if Iyanden is crappy, well then take a look at my 2k army list posted.. Pretty power gaming. I love it. I totally pwned with it. =)
no they don't, people who play ulthwe' are like me and like to feild large squads of guardians (my core is 32 defenders and 16 storm to which i add other things to bring it to points sometimes more guardians :w00t: ) the people who play those small aquads jus to get an extra starcannon are usally newbies who don't know anybetter or simply don't care abou fluff. ulthwe's real str is black guardians which is wasted on small squads :yes:Fair enough there are people who like to just take 5 gaurdians and a starcannon but i think those sort of people play ulthwe.
I said people who play like that play ulthwe, not ulthwe players play like thatno they don't, people who play ulthwe' are like me and like to feild large squads of guardians (my core is 32 defenders and 16 storm to which i add other things to bring it to points sometimes more guardians ) the people who play those small aquads jus to get an extra starcannon are usally newbies who don't know anybetter or simply don't care abou fluff. ulthwe's real str is black guardians which is wasted on small squads
. I myself have an ulthwe strike force and share your views on plentiful gaurdian squads.I wouldn't go as far as call those type of players newbies though. It's a very fair tactic to have a few small long range squads support the advance with their weaponary. Though I have never feilded only 5 gaurdians with support platform I have feilded many small squads inbetween 8-10 before and have found them to be very flexible in a fight (as they still lay off about the standard 20 shots at close range).
Could you post a link plz, if only because im too lazy to bother going to look for it lolHey if Iyanden is crappy, well then take a look at my 2k army list posted.. Pretty power gaming. I love it. I totally pwned with it. =)
Hence why I said "if it was legal". The point of the thread was the question of 6 wraithlords.Heiromyo said:Hmmm you can't feild six wraithlords btw. Since you can't have more wraithlords than wraithgaurd squads, and wraithlords has been moved as a troops choice, not either troops or heavy.
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