Ring of Hotek is nasty - best thing to do is kill the bearer, if that is not possible, target him with bound spells etc. Also - with that many units in close proximity, use spells that are not directly offensive and perhaps use a more "subtle" approach to casting rather than direct casting - example would be steed-of shadows a Saurus Old-Blood behind the enemy lines with a great weapon to go chariot hunting.

 

Bound spells are unfortunatly not the lizardmens strong point.

They have few, and the ones they have are one use only.

I'll have to try what you suggested, and a more subtle approach, maybe fly a saurus scar vet out of my temple guard into their caster...

 

If you really hate the Ring, you could just use a JSoD (or perhaps a FSoD- Dagger of Sotek and Cloak of Feathers anyone?) to try and assassinate the character bearing it. Throw in the Spawning that grants +1A on the charge.

If your character gets killed without making back their points, but kills the DE character anyway allowing your Slann to exert a bit of dominance, then it was a worthy sacrifice.

How about the Statuette of Spite? DEs being T3...

Otherwise, I just echo kithre's comments.

-AFG//

 

Statuette is going to be a bit too much of a gamble for my liking.

I think the jaguar saurus or steed of shadows is the best bet.

I only wish i'd known i'd thought about this more before the game last night lol.

Thanks for the replies folks, much appreciated.

 

I assume since your running a 2nd gen Slann and a lvl 1 this person you play has to use the power of darkness during his magic phase. Why not take the cube of darkness on your skink and give him the old ones spawning. That way when your oppenent loads up with dice from power of darkness you can use the cube with a reroll. Then his magic phase is done and hopefully so is his sorcerer with the ring.

 

I run my skink either as you've stated above or with a diadem depending on my mood mostly.

However, I don't see how negating an entire magic phase for my enemy would help on killing the character with the ring of hotek.

In this particular game I believe it was a Cold One Champion that had the item.

I think the JSOD is the only real way to combat this tactic.

 

problem with jaguar saurus is that he can be challenged by a champion, he may not even be able to direct attacks against the bearer. I think you'd have better success sending kroxigors in. They get multiple attacks and can direct them on whomever they want. The other plan would be to use the skinks to your advantage. He has to have his units close to be effective. Kill everything outside of the ring with your magic and then hit his flanks with big units or Krox's, and he'll fold.

 

Problem with krox's it the potential for them to be hurt my shooting or a hydra on the way in and may never make it to their objective, not to mention they will take a few more turns to get there, especially if march blocked early.

And magic'ing the rest of his army may work, but most players will put their most expensive units inside it's radius.

 

I believe its stated somewhere, items like the ring of hotek make irresistable force casts go off irresitably, then cause a miscast.

Burning iron is a good way to snipe those guys too.

 

The problem charging with a single character such as a JSOD is the unit champion can challenge and negate you hitting the person carrying the ring. You could try using the Law of Gold spell from lore of metal but obviously you are relying on not getting the double to cast.

I have faced a Hotek ring list before and where the ring bearer was in a nasty unit of ASF black guard. I ran at the unit recklessly with some saurus cavalry with a scar vet in it, issued a challenge with the unit champion and allocated hits from the scar vet on the bearer, the scar vet survived due to his awesome armour save. The cavalry lost and fled but the trouble causing ring was removed from play so a good result.

 

Do you know if he often uses it on a master or a sorceress? Most people try to armour up the master it seem to make up for the toughtness. For that use rule of burning iron, its the first spell so you could use it as long you could get the list, easy to case so you don't need to roll many dice risking a double. Sorcercess, see if you could hit and run the unit with her with the terradons. Also bane head and the blood statutte of spite might work well. i know i'm rambling off here but have you tried downgrading the slann and getting more priest? Instead of having the 2nd gen sledge hammer, use a maybe a 4th and a few priest for a magic machine gun effect. All those spells if well planed will chew up a amount of dispell dice and those scroll quickly.

 

As a dark elf player, I have some things to add to this.

Most dark elf players who take the ring take little to no other magic resistance. I usually go into a 2250 point game with the ring, and a single scroll caddy.

My enemies won't dare to cast much magic at the ring, but, I have very very little ability to stop magic elsewhere, as I plan to be in combat asap.

Another suggestion. Load up on basic magic missiles. Your Slaan can pick multiple lores, so grab as many low-casting level spells and try to cast them on as few dice as possible. Your chance on miscasting on 2 dice near the ring is roughly equal to casting on 5 elsewhere.

Now some dark elf players will go with a magic heavy army *and* the ring, but usually an army containing the ring is not going for a heavy magic defense aside from that.

And finally, kill the elf holding it. It's usually on a unit champion, (black guard or CoK), and that's just a t3 elf with little to no armor. They die easy.

 

Yea Kich's thing about the ASF Black Guard is where I put my ring also if I do take it with a Soulrender which is a Great Weapon with AP. So his strategy is roll of the dice where as Gallowmere's strategy is more reliable for a magic heavy slann army because just like he said most of the time the army is relying on that and a scroll caddy if that for thier magic so I would try that next time load up on 2 dice spells and see how that works out for you.

 

I played a game over the festive period against a dark elf list that relied on ring of hotek and 2 lvl 2s with a scroll each for anti magic. I chose lore of metal and got all the good spells, all bar commandment of brass which would have been useless. My plan was to use the spells to remove the ring of hotek either by using law of gold or rule of burning iron, against the black guard unit champion I just needed a 4 to wound with no armour saves and my opponent failed the ward his cauldron gave the black guard. Turn 1 and the ring bearer had melted.

Having removed the key threat to my armies magical potency I had the ability to totally dominate the magic phase, spirit of the forge removed a hydra and a unit of cold one knights, transmutation helped significantly in combat and the slanns free reign was awesome.

It was a shame the dark elf repeater xbows killed my kroxigors but the salamanders and Slann more than did their job earning me a massacre.