[Microcosm]

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[Cortana]

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indeed.
but i have to say that the old dex explicitly states that banshees are an ALL female aspect, check the box next to the unit entry.

GW is cheating a fluff mistake that they made...fools


thanks everyone for responses so far!

 

[Grephaun]

but i have to say that the old dex explicitly states that banshees are an ALL female aspect, check the box next to the unit entry.

Indeed. I went to GW today and had a look at the old Codex, and it specifically states that the Howling Banshees are an all-female Aspect as you say. I also asked the staff if they had ever heard of male Banshees, which they had not and denied the existence of.

~Greph.

 

[LordLink]

Maybe the Autarchs really haven't been banshees. Theres a good chance they are wielding a power weapon that isn't a banshee one how much training can a banshee mask require?

oh and my previous point saying he could learn it outside the shrine.

 

[Xerxes]

Erm... how could he learn outside the shrine? The aspect suits are kept by the shrines more or less as relics (not just exarch suits), and only used outside training in times of war.

Also, it doesn't strike me that training as such is an issue, more tradition. Eldar are very bound up in their mythology and history (their language and what little we know of civilian culture seem to suggest that, anyway), and it would make more sense that someone isn't just given a Banshee mask because it's just Not Done, rather than it would be difficult to use.

 

[Illyrien]

hmm, just searched my room for my really old codex from waaay back 2nd edition. Back then, it states that Banchees where mostly female, the 2 later codex'es call it a female aspect.

 

[JOHIRA]

That doesn't make sense. Autarchs are "above" exarchs in a sense, which gives them access to exarch weaponry. I don't see why they have to be bound by trademark weapons of their shrine when exarchs are not.

NO. Autarchs DO NOT get exarch weaponry. They only get Aspect Warrior weaponry. They are not above or below exarchs; they are different. An Exarch is lost to its path, which means it will never choose another path, which means it can never become an Autarch.

 

[Shadowbane]

What about transgender male Eldar? Can they be Banshees?

 

[ze_poodle]

How about:

This debate is stupid and invalid, and does not merit further discussion.

 

[NiteRabbit]

Suffice to say, an Autarch wields weapons and wargear from the aspects with which he has served over the course of his life. However, Power Weapons are an exception to this rule as they are probably very commonplace and don't necessarily refer to the power swords used by the Howling Banshee aspect.

 

[Pestigor]

can't it just be a power weapon to you people. Banshees use power swords, but power weapons themselves come in all shapes and sizes. Hell they can't be that hard to.. errm... grow(?) Humans and even Orks use them. And on a side note Yrial uses a power spear, banshees only use power swords if memory serves

OMG WERE DID IT COME FROM NO ASPECT USES POWER SPEAR *splodes*

The banshee mask on the other hand I would say is a female weapon, I wouldn't use it on my HQ but thats just me. As for power weapons I think your just being picky.

 

[Da Mighty Camel]

OMG WERE DID IT COME FROM NO ASPECT USES POWER SPEAR *splodes*

Lol.

The entry for the Autarch actually says Banshee Power sword if I am correct...

 

[Cortana]

Lol.

The entry for the Autarch actually says Banshee Power sword if I am correct...

You have the 'dex DAMMIT!!!

 

[NiteRabbit]

Camel, I'm not sure about yours but my version of the codex simply says "power weapon" so it may have been a misprint or error in translation...unless you use an english version of the codex. Then I'm confused. :tongue:

 

[Da Mighty Camel]

I have the English version (Swedish would just be wierd...). I might remember wrong, havn't bothered checking it lately.

 

[Pestigor]

nope under the 1 handed-weapons it just says "power weapon - 10pts" I am holding the new Eldar dex in my hands UK version here

 

[Cortana]

So far i have come to the conclusion:
Autarchs never were banshees they were just privaliged and got taught nicely by the nce banshee exarch how to scream his face off

Yriel has the spear because he went mental to kill a big nid beastie so effectively stole it.

Care to correct me?

 

[minus_t]

Just as a theory (I have absolutely no fluff basis for this, but it seems plausible and likely to me), I would like to put forward the idea that maybe all members of an aspect learn how to use all and any of the weapons that the exarchs can use; but only the exarch's have mastered their use to a level where they are allowed to use them on the battlefield.

Take Dire Avengers. Each member of the aspect may be capable of using a power or even Dire Sword, but because they are less capable and less experienced than the Exarch, or there are only so many of each weapon to go around; they are not permitted to use them in battle.

Interesting idea, or load of tosh?

-t.

 

[Da Mighty Camel]

The way I see it is that regular aspect warriors arn't 'commited' enough to their part in life (even when they spend all day just improving) to learn those skills, be it weapons or powers. Only an Exarch spends enough of his life to learn and master the skills that make them so deadly.

 

[The_Giant_Mantis]

Don't forget that the powers don't just come from the exarch either.. His armour contains the souls of every aspect warrior ever to wear that suit. That's a lot of experience, and, when you consider how psychic eldar are, it's a lot of warp energy too.. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the aspect powers are subtle psychic effects.

An exarch isn't so much a person as an amalgamation of a bunch of eldar heroes sharing the same body. That's why he takes on a heroic or mythological name when he becomes an exarch.