Is it possible that there could be a half eldar half human? i heard something about one once.... post your knowledge or ideas here.
Eldar-Human Hybrid???
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Yes the Dark Eldar *might* have carnal pleasures with his/her slaves but that doesn't fit into 'Breeding'.
Would it be justifiable (let's say) if due to the very low probability of fertility in Eldar Women, that an Eldar man (let's call him 'teh fallen') who's a particularly gifted Eldar scientist (if they have them, I'm sure they must) would want to research a way to save his people fron extinction. Would it justifiable in *that* sense, that he would try to find a way to create 'breeders' out of human women? If he was to do the whole cross-breading gene-splicing scenario?
Would it be justifiable (let's say) if due to the very low probability of fertility in Eldar Women, that an Eldar man (let's call him 'teh fallen') who's a particularly gifted Eldar scientist (if they have them, I'm sure they must) would want to research a way to save his people fron extinction. Would it justifiable in *that* sense, that he would try to find a way to create 'breeders' out of human women? If he was to do the whole cross-breading gene-splicing scenario?
well, despirate times call for despirate mesures. I know that line of thought is often used, but in this case its true.
todats scientists are trying to bring back extinct animals using their closest genetic relitives as breeding stock, and with the eldar's advanced technology, who is to say that theu couldn't find a way to manufacture or breed a healthy child.
I could also imagine, with the despirate mesures scenario, that the more shadowy eldar have found sypathetic or interested allies in the Ordo Xenos and joint experiments could have been conducted. (under the veil of complete secrect of course).
My own chapter, the Diamond Dragons have worked alongside the Lyanden craftworld for many years. Both have a perminant alliance against the tyranids, who wiped out most of their populations. Both races are doing simmiler reserch in an attempt to solve their population problem as well as aid their eldar allies.
who is to say weather the reserch will ammount to anything positive, or yeild any results. The fact remains that reserch itself is continuing and that can be a useful plot hook for an alliance or otherwise.
todats scientists are trying to bring back extinct animals using their closest genetic relitives as breeding stock, and with the eldar's advanced technology, who is to say that theu couldn't find a way to manufacture or breed a healthy child.
I could also imagine, with the despirate mesures scenario, that the more shadowy eldar have found sypathetic or interested allies in the Ordo Xenos and joint experiments could have been conducted. (under the veil of complete secrect of course).
My own chapter, the Diamond Dragons have worked alongside the Lyanden craftworld for many years. Both have a perminant alliance against the tyranids, who wiped out most of their populations. Both races are doing simmiler reserch in an attempt to solve their population problem as well as aid their eldar allies.
who is to say weather the reserch will ammount to anything positive, or yeild any results. The fact remains that reserch itself is continuing and that can be a useful plot hook for an alliance or otherwise.
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Okay: Lynchpin, everyone you just said is totally made up. And the thing about made-up things is this: We are discussing the possibility of fictional breeding between fictional races in fictional worlds. These fictional worlds have fictional rules. If you want to make more fiction about these fictional worlds, you have to follow their fictional rules.
Their fictional rules say the Ordo Xenos hate Eldar. Full stop. Killing Eldar is their job.Even Ravenor couldn't tolerate them for long.
And on the monkey metaphor, I say this: if we took a fully grown human woman and a fully grown bonobo monkey (the most promiscuous breed of ape in the world) and put them in a cage for years, pumped full of every aphrodisiac from Viagra to powdered panda penis, even if they did get it on, they wouldn't have babies.
And if they did, it wouldn't be a super-strong simian humanoid with the ability to write with his feet and swing through the trees. It would be a larger, slightly less hairy monkey. Or maybe a smaller, hairier human being. People would call him Chimp and throw bananas at him.
Just crossing X and Y doesn't get you a far superior Z. Sometimes it gets you some wierd screwed-up mongrel letter that no-one understands and is kinda left out of the alphabet altogether. Just like breeding humans and Eldar just gets you something that probably can't breath without mutilating its intestines and breaking its second ribcage. Besides, what beneficial traits are there in humans that Eldar would want to appropriate, or vice versa? They both think they're the master race fated to rule the galaxy.
Their fictional rules say the Ordo Xenos hate Eldar. Full stop. Killing Eldar is their job.Even Ravenor couldn't tolerate them for long.
And on the monkey metaphor, I say this: if we took a fully grown human woman and a fully grown bonobo monkey (the most promiscuous breed of ape in the world) and put them in a cage for years, pumped full of every aphrodisiac from Viagra to powdered panda penis, even if they did get it on, they wouldn't have babies.
And if they did, it wouldn't be a super-strong simian humanoid with the ability to write with his feet and swing through the trees. It would be a larger, slightly less hairy monkey. Or maybe a smaller, hairier human being. People would call him Chimp and throw bananas at him.
Just crossing X and Y doesn't get you a far superior Z. Sometimes it gets you some wierd screwed-up mongrel letter that no-one understands and is kinda left out of the alphabet altogether. Just like breeding humans and Eldar just gets you something that probably can't breath without mutilating its intestines and breaking its second ribcage. Besides, what beneficial traits are there in humans that Eldar would want to appropriate, or vice versa? They both think they're the master race fated to rule the galaxy.
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Erm... here's the situation on the 'fetish' thing
Your marines are very, very dead if the Imperium catches wind of that little tid bit.
As to the erm, :shifty: yeah, between species, this comes from McNeill's 'Nightbringer' novel it describes a human in the clutches of a dark eldar incubi(?), torturer.
"She had seen the surgeon's skill before, and though the things he could do were wonderous, she was more interested in her own pleasures. The surgeon nodded to her and she span, naked, towards the slab on her tiptoes, a wicked leer splitting her full red lips.
She gripped the edges of the table and pushed herself upwards and forwards, lifting her legs slowly until she was completely vertical. She walked astride the prone human on her hands then propelled herself into the air, twisting on the descent to land astride the figure...
...it was always the fear that aroused her. Aroused her and repulsed her. That this human ape could think that she, whao had learned the one thousand and nine Pleasures of the Dark, could actually enjoy this. Part of her was filled with self loathing as she realised once again that she did, and it took an effort of will not to plunge her envenomed talons through his pleading eyes into his broken mind. She shuddered, the man mistaking it for pleasure...
...her teeth moved up his face, feathering razor kisses along the line of his jaw. Her long, blood red nails trailed up his ribs, leaving smoking, poisonous tracks in their wake. Her thighs tightened over his hips and she knew he was ready. The blood was singing in his rotten veins..."
So yeah, the Dark Eldar are pretty sick. And we learn some stuff. Apparently they have a kama-sutra that is a helluva lot longer than ours, that they also consider Eldar-Human bumpin' a sick fetish, and if she's straddling his hips, we have to ask a couple of R-rated questions about the positioning of gear.
All I know is that if I ever meet a girl that can do all of that (without the burning poison), I'd sell all my minis to buy a ring and keep her around for a while.
By the way, you are a very sick man McNeill, shame on you for writing that...
Your marines are very, very dead if the Imperium catches wind of that little tid bit.
As to the erm, :shifty: yeah, between species, this comes from McNeill's 'Nightbringer' novel it describes a human in the clutches of a dark eldar incubi(?), torturer.
"She had seen the surgeon's skill before, and though the things he could do were wonderous, she was more interested in her own pleasures. The surgeon nodded to her and she span, naked, towards the slab on her tiptoes, a wicked leer splitting her full red lips.
She gripped the edges of the table and pushed herself upwards and forwards, lifting her legs slowly until she was completely vertical. She walked astride the prone human on her hands then propelled herself into the air, twisting on the descent to land astride the figure...
...it was always the fear that aroused her. Aroused her and repulsed her. That this human ape could think that she, whao had learned the one thousand and nine Pleasures of the Dark, could actually enjoy this. Part of her was filled with self loathing as she realised once again that she did, and it took an effort of will not to plunge her envenomed talons through his pleading eyes into his broken mind. She shuddered, the man mistaking it for pleasure...
...her teeth moved up his face, feathering razor kisses along the line of his jaw. Her long, blood red nails trailed up his ribs, leaving smoking, poisonous tracks in their wake. Her thighs tightened over his hips and she knew he was ready. The blood was singing in his rotten veins..."
So yeah, the Dark Eldar are pretty sick. And we learn some stuff. Apparently they have a kama-sutra that is a helluva lot longer than ours, that they also consider Eldar-Human bumpin' a sick fetish, and if she's straddling his hips, we have to ask a couple of R-rated questions about the positioning of gear.
All I know is that if I ever meet a girl that can do all of that (without the burning poison), I'd sell all my minis to buy a ring and keep her around for a while.
By the way, you are a very sick man McNeill, shame on you for writing that...
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True true - but if we take a realistic point of view. It's proven scientifically that interacial mixing helps strengthen the race. Now granted this is a realistic point of view, and we're talking about fiction. If we take the half-elf point of view, they're not all that great.
Sure physically a half-elf woman can be awesome, have many elven features such as the beautiful face, the tiny waist, the long ears, the fair hair, the slender legs. And all the human features, the wide hips, the large breasts the round ass, the full lips. - All in all, a hot mamasita!
But then again, the ingame scores don't grant any +(es) unless you count being immune to sleep spells and things of the sort which most people just say 'yawn' and go for the full elf for the +2 in Dex or the human for the +1 Feat.
A half-eldar wouldn't be all that amazing either. What I was defending back in my old thread of Love & Evil was just the baby as a result/product of love. But if we talk about specifically breeding, then the odds are that (other than sustaining the Eldar race if we look at that Eldar-scientist scenario) they wouldn't be supermen.
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Didn't know we were playing DnD, Mr. Eugenics. :/
This isn't interracial. Interracial would be an Eldar and a Dark Eldar, or an Iyanden and a Saim-Hann. This is interspecies. This is like a man mating with a turtle. Trust me, when a man mates with a turtle you do not get ninjas, no matter how mutant they are.
This isn't interracial. Interracial would be an Eldar and a Dark Eldar, or an Iyanden and a Saim-Hann. This is interspecies. This is like a man mating with a turtle. Trust me, when a man mates with a turtle you do not get ninjas, no matter how mutant they are.
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Much as I hate to rain on everyone's parade, I'll have to join the majority here. This idea would be abhorrent to pretty much anyone of either species- I'm getting the heebie-jeebies thinking of railing some uppity xeno-elf female myself, and I'm some forty thousand years too early to reject such a proposal.
BTW, for those not well versed in my peculiar brand of slang, heebie jeebies are a bad feeling.
Much as Dark Eldar might be tempted, it would be them (and a select minority on Craftworlds who would be viewed as most of society views those among us who engage in intercourse with hairy four legged things) and them alone who would do such things. It wouldn't create anything- nothing happens when Alalalalalah molests his sheep in the hills of Tuscany, and nothing would happen between a space-elf and a space... man.
I think those points should be easy to grasp. It's also likely that any scientist who dared propose this or try to keep it a secret would be a) purged by the Inquisition if human, b) purged by the Eldar equivalent if Eldar, c) purged by either Inquisition-type folks on general purposes.
In the end, not happening. And this thread, I hope, will not slide further into barbarism than it already has, no thanks to my contributions.
BTW, for those not well versed in my peculiar brand of slang, heebie jeebies are a bad feeling.
Much as Dark Eldar might be tempted, it would be them (and a select minority on Craftworlds who would be viewed as most of society views those among us who engage in intercourse with hairy four legged things) and them alone who would do such things. It wouldn't create anything- nothing happens when Alalalalalah molests his sheep in the hills of Tuscany, and nothing would happen between a space-elf and a space... man.
I think those points should be easy to grasp. It's also likely that any scientist who dared propose this or try to keep it a secret would be a) purged by the Inquisition if human, b) purged by the Eldar equivalent if Eldar, c) purged by either Inquisition-type folks on general purposes.
In the end, not happening. And this thread, I hope, will not slide further into barbarism than it already has, no thanks to my contributions.
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I am not asking if either race would allow, but whether the physiology of the 2 races would allow a human-eldar hybrid that can walk and talk.
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Imperator100 said:
. As has been said, the answer to this is no. Physiological and genetic differences betweeen the two races make it very unlikely that a hybrid could be formed. All the current fluff would suggest that the two species (as ze_poodle said this would be interspecies not interracial) are not compatible.Sexual encounter? - very rare but maybe
Human-Eldar hybrid - no, books like xenology suggest this is not possible
Hope this helps buddy
Cheers,
Rich.
You might as well just ignore him at this point. Notice that after everyone concluded it couldn't be done socially or physically, he restated the question ignoring all points made? Then after another page of going over why it's impossible he just asked it again.
Vaguely resembles post whoring, or maybe the whole point of this is to create an argument. Maybe I'm paranoid. But I might be right. YOU DON'T KNOW.
The conversation;s been conversed, it can't be done. No need to to contnue going in depth as to why at this point.
Vaguely resembles post whoring, or maybe the whole point of this is to create an argument. Maybe I'm paranoid. But I might be right. YOU DON'T KNOW.
The conversation;s been conversed, it can't be done. No need to to contnue going in depth as to why at this point.
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We don't know what Eldar genetic manipulation is capable of and we don't fully know what the Imperium could do with lost/forbidden technology if they were so inclined.
Why they would do it is another matter entirely...
Though I wonder if Fabius Bile could pull it off given that he has his own genetic manipulation skills, the absolute madness required for such an undertaking and is fortunate enough to live on a Crone World.
Why they would do it is another matter entirely...
Though I wonder if Fabius Bile could pull it off given that he has his own genetic manipulation skills, the absolute madness required for such an undertaking and is fortunate enough to live on a Crone World.
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The answer depends completly on your perception of the WH40K universe. If you view it as an accuratly documented universe where the present GW fluff trumps all then no. Pretty much all the evidence says it just wouldn't happen on both a cultural and biological level
If you view the WH40K universe as one where GW presents a certain version of events then maybe. GW hasn't published even 1% of all the events and strange happening in the universe it only tells us about the broad strokes. As people have noted their could be all kinds of wierd technology still out there.
If you view the WH40K universe as one where everything GW has ever printed must be somehow reconciled with each other then eldar can probably breed with humans (WD97 and also references in the old Rouge Trader stuff). Obviously humans have seriously underestimated eldar anatomy/we have only heard about the particularly intolerant members of the eldar race.
I think the main question is why do you want eldar to mate with humans?
If you have some cool story to tell about a bitter nomad unaccepted by both cultures then it could be interesting, If its to create some uber warrior then that is boring.
If you view the WH40K universe as one where GW presents a certain version of events then maybe. GW hasn't published even 1% of all the events and strange happening in the universe it only tells us about the broad strokes. As people have noted their could be all kinds of wierd technology still out there.
If you view the WH40K universe as one where everything GW has ever printed must be somehow reconciled with each other then eldar can probably breed with humans (WD97 and also references in the old Rouge Trader stuff). Obviously humans have seriously underestimated eldar anatomy/we have only heard about the particularly intolerant members of the eldar race.
I think the main question is why do you want eldar to mate with humans?
If you have some cool story to tell about a bitter nomad unaccepted by both cultures then it could be interesting, If its to create some uber warrior then that is boring.
Sorry to cause confusion
Oh and for all those who think my chapter idea was crap: My chapter was almost destroyed by nids and were rescued by remenants of lyanden, who were also affected by the hive. it seemed logical to me (because im a logical person) that they would team up against the common enemy that not only threatens them, but all races of the 40k galaxy.
So exuse me if i tried my best to come up with an interesting chapter idea and not end up with stock standid generic space marines.
I would like to point out that if anyone has an improvement on this basic idea, feel free to send me some ideas as i do want an interesting, yet plausable chapter.
One final point, i DO know that 40k is FICTION, so dont get upset or say im being too serious about this. I like discussion and debate, but sometimes it just goes too far.
errrrrrrrr, i realise 40k is fictional. About the closest living relitive thing: its just a theory ok, it might work, it might not. probably not in any case.
Ok, so i may have been a bit liberal with my interpritation there:| but the fact remains, despite them being enemies, if the scientists can come up with a way of solving the eldar's population problem it would be a fantastic bargining chip.
If here you are refering to the joint reserch project, that is NOT what i meant:realmad: I meant laboratry work or something, seriously, that isn't what came into my mind when i thought about the population problem. Im a science student, so i tend to think of scientific solutions to many problems.
Oh and for all those who think my chapter idea was crap: My chapter was almost destroyed by nids and were rescued by remenants of lyanden, who were also affected by the hive. it seemed logical to me (because im a logical person) that they would team up against the common enemy that not only threatens them, but all races of the 40k galaxy.
So exuse me if i tried my best to come up with an interesting chapter idea and not end up with stock standid generic space marines.
I would like to point out that if anyone has an improvement on this basic idea, feel free to send me some ideas as i do want an interesting, yet plausable chapter.
One final point, i DO know that 40k is FICTION, so dont get upset or say im being too serious about this. I like discussion and debate, but sometimes it just goes too far.
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yeah well the Eldar and Marines don't work in logical ways (little do in the 40k universe). The Eldar would laugh at them and call them pathetic mon-keigh and the Marines would have screamed "Xeno filth!", "For the Emperor!", "Purge the parasitic xeno!" and other such imagative punch-lines. The only times the Eldar and Imperium have worked togheter is when there's simply no other option. Like during the 13th Black Crusade or that war on Tallarn that I can't remember the name of.
The Imperium believes the galaxy is theirs to rule, dictated by fate and the cosmic powers themselves and given form in the Emperor. All Xenos shall be purged and annaihalted by them, because they stand in the way of His most Glorius Conquest (according to them at least). They are so incredibly xenophobic that it makes North Korea seem quite friendly. And the Marines are those who impersonate these ideals to the very core.
While your fluff about Marines working with Iyanden could be cool if it was during a single campaign or something similar, but an alliance would not be believable.
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It must be said, that interest levels lie purely in the eye of the beholder.
That bitter nomad offers no interest to me. I'd tell him to go outside and play in the sunshine. Maybe he could meet some emos and they could all be happy together. In their hoodies.
I concurr about Fabius Bile.
I bet he's actually done it. But it was so unspectacular, that he decided not to tell anyone about it.
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The fluff i was thinking about would be this special astropath, who was a eldar-human hybrid, (not in WD 97) who didn't lose his sight in the Soul Binding, but became extremely powerfull, physically. He would be rectuited by this space marine chapter, and would finish the training remarkably fast, and become the chief librarian of the chapter. The basic idea so far...
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The fluff i was thinking about would be this special astropath, who was a eldar-human hybrid, (not in WD 97) who didn't lose his sight in the Soul Binding, but became extremely powerfull, physically. He would be rectuited by this space marine chapter, and would finish the training remarkably fast, and become the chief librarian of the chapter. The basic idea so far...
Ignoring all the biology stuff and why a half human half eldar hybrid would be more powerful for a moment
I don't think there is a good way of justifying that really. Space Marines are to put it mildly completly Xenophobic and psykers of any kind are viewed with a certain amount of suspicion. There is not a snowflakes chance in hell that a half alien would be allowed to become a Chief Librarian.
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Yeah Q's right on that. And marines are a maximum age of like 15 when they are indoctrinated. More often they are younger, around the age of 12 or so.
And if you are a half-xeno then they would never let you in. And besides, the geneseed is based around the male DNA and all that of the Emperor and the Primarchs so I doubt it would even work on a half-xeno (it doesn't even work on female humans becuase they have the wrong chromosomes).
And if you are a half-xeno then they would never let you in. And besides, the geneseed is based around the male DNA and all that of the Emperor and the Primarchs so I doubt it would even work on a half-xeno (it doesn't even work on female humans becuase they have the wrong chromosomes).
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