Ok I was just thinking about this yesterday, what would happen if the emperor were to come back to the imperium IE. he suddenly leaves the golden throne or is reborn in another person. What do u think he would do and how do you think the elements of the 40k universe would react to it?
What if the Emperor came back?
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I think that if he were to come back he would continue his master plan that he was working on before the heresy. It was the one that he was working on in the palace vaults that no one ever came out of. I think it was what had the choas gods really scared wasnt it?
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Sorry mate but you stories wrong. Anyway if the Emperor returned what about all the dead space marines who died. When a SM dies they belive that he will help the Emperor in the final fight against Chaos??
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Yes there is.. can somone link to the piece about the Emperor's final battle with Horus, because I don't know where it is.SimulatedSnowman said:
To be brief. The Empeor was not Jesus.. the dead will not rise from the grave just because he wants them to, he can't see the entire scope of the future, though he was precognative in the same way a lot of psykers were. He was a human with god like psychic powers, but he was still limited by what psychic powers can do.
The Emperors 'To Do' list.
Hmm. I originally meant to write something funny here, and just starting typing away like it was a logic problem. Sorry.
One thing that is missing here is that fact that way, way back in the fluff its stated that the Emperor is a giant leap forward in the evolutionary path of humanity. Now if we assume that such is the quality of his mind that he hasn't gone totally raving....
It seems to me that his goal has always been to protect humanity until the race accends to his own level and to sheppard them in that direction. The trap that Chaos holds for humanity is the stumbling block beyond which most are either caught in, or fear to rise higher due to the chance of being 'corrupted.' Therefore I feel that he would have bigger fish to fry in the long run than mere physical conquest. That was always an ends to a means.
1.Convince folks that he is indeed the emperor. This would indeed take quite some time due to the size of the galaxy and the aforementioned schisms arising.
2.Solidify his control of the Empire. A long and wideranging goal...Probably start with the Marines, as they still owe fealty directly to him. Good to have them on his side for all the work he has ahead. Keep the custodes around as well, as its always good to have bodyguards...
2a. Go to Mars, oust the Dragon, purge followers of the Dragon and kick people in the ass until they started scientific expirimentation again, rather than mere duplication and reverence for the past. Maybe relay some actual information of his own to help them along.
2b. Reform the Eccleisiarchy. I won't go into this, as I'm sure everyone has different ideas of exactly what this would mean. But I think we can all agree that he's see changes needing to be made. Mankind cannot ascend to the next level if it is stuck in reverence of things that are not actual gods.
2c. Get the Eccleisarchy forces firmly under his thumb, make examples of people who doubt him as being the Emperor. He'd probably have to play up the 'divine' emperor bit for quite a while here, even if he didn't like doing it.
2d. Purge/reform the Inquisition. HARD task, as some of the greatest threats to his rule would be in it. Need to keep it intact, however, as Chaos is still ever present.
2e. Get the High Lords of Terra firmly in hand, or better yet appoint new lords and send the ones in power to 'noble tasks' like attacking the Arch Arsonist of Charandon or whatever. He'd probably run into difficulties if he had them killed unless they directly opposed him.
2f.The Navigator families would be extra important now with the Astronomicon either gone or weakened due to his corporeal presence, so he'd need to make sure of their loyalty and get them breeeding...
2g Make a list of the threats to the Imperium and Mankind and go after them in order of either ease of elimination or of danger. Hard to say which is which here, but I think that the Emperor would find that the big three are Chaos, Necrons and Tyranids. And in that order I think he'd go after the Necron first, the Tyranids second and Chaos third.
Yes the Orks have more numbers, but they will always be around due to the ease of their breeding and you can generally count on them to fight each other. Dark Eldar/Eldar, not big in numbers, sometime allies. Now, there's not too many Necrons active now, but that will soon change, and for that reason their planets should be attacked now before they become fully active. Secondly, the technology to be gained in a full scale war with the Necrons would help with fighting both the Tyranids and (if the necron fluff is accurate) with weapons that would help combat warp intrusions into realspace. The Tyranids need to be attacked with overwhelming force as soon as possible, so that they do not build up a surplus of biomass, and to help convince the (various?) hiveminds that more effeicient pickings are to be had in other galaxies. Flesh that fights is after all, harder to digest that flesh that doesn't. After these threats are dealt with, and only then would the Emperor turn to the threat posed by Chaos. Not because it would be easiest to defeat, but rather the hardest, since it would breed fifth columns in his own forces and is bred into the very genes of humanity. Only with all external threats are defeated, and its own internal strcucture strengthened could Humanity deal with the threat that Chaos poses.
However. The method by which such a threat might be eliminated would not be by outright battle. Even if all the servants of the Chaos Gods were killed, the Gods themselves would be strengthened by the very deaths and passions that such a war would generate.
2h What is required is to raise all humanity to the level of the Emperor. Such a task would require both new technologies on the behalf on the behalf of the Technocrats(Any survivors would not be called Tech priests, such veneration of a machine 'god' degrades humanity), training and shooling of psykers directly by the Emperor ect.
The problem would remain though, that any humans so raised up above their fellows would begin to feel pride(like the primarchs) and might repeat the failures of the Horus Heresy. Other than attempting to raise the capabilities of all humans simultaneously, I don't see any way of achieving this.
Hmm. I originally meant to write something funny here, and just starting typing away like it was a logic problem. Sorry.
One thing that is missing here is that fact that way, way back in the fluff its stated that the Emperor is a giant leap forward in the evolutionary path of humanity. Now if we assume that such is the quality of his mind that he hasn't gone totally raving....
It seems to me that his goal has always been to protect humanity until the race accends to his own level and to sheppard them in that direction. The trap that Chaos holds for humanity is the stumbling block beyond which most are either caught in, or fear to rise higher due to the chance of being 'corrupted.' Therefore I feel that he would have bigger fish to fry in the long run than mere physical conquest. That was always an ends to a means.
1.Convince folks that he is indeed the emperor. This would indeed take quite some time due to the size of the galaxy and the aforementioned schisms arising.
2.Solidify his control of the Empire. A long and wideranging goal...Probably start with the Marines, as they still owe fealty directly to him. Good to have them on his side for all the work he has ahead. Keep the custodes around as well, as its always good to have bodyguards...
2a. Go to Mars, oust the Dragon, purge followers of the Dragon and kick people in the ass until they started scientific expirimentation again, rather than mere duplication and reverence for the past. Maybe relay some actual information of his own to help them along.
2b. Reform the Eccleisiarchy. I won't go into this, as I'm sure everyone has different ideas of exactly what this would mean. But I think we can all agree that he's see changes needing to be made. Mankind cannot ascend to the next level if it is stuck in reverence of things that are not actual gods.
2c. Get the Eccleisarchy forces firmly under his thumb, make examples of people who doubt him as being the Emperor. He'd probably have to play up the 'divine' emperor bit for quite a while here, even if he didn't like doing it.
2d. Purge/reform the Inquisition. HARD task, as some of the greatest threats to his rule would be in it. Need to keep it intact, however, as Chaos is still ever present.
2e. Get the High Lords of Terra firmly in hand, or better yet appoint new lords and send the ones in power to 'noble tasks' like attacking the Arch Arsonist of Charandon or whatever. He'd probably run into difficulties if he had them killed unless they directly opposed him.
2f.The Navigator families would be extra important now with the Astronomicon either gone or weakened due to his corporeal presence, so he'd need to make sure of their loyalty and get them breeeding...
2g Make a list of the threats to the Imperium and Mankind and go after them in order of either ease of elimination or of danger. Hard to say which is which here, but I think that the Emperor would find that the big three are Chaos, Necrons and Tyranids. And in that order I think he'd go after the Necron first, the Tyranids second and Chaos third.
Yes the Orks have more numbers, but they will always be around due to the ease of their breeding and you can generally count on them to fight each other. Dark Eldar/Eldar, not big in numbers, sometime allies. Now, there's not too many Necrons active now, but that will soon change, and for that reason their planets should be attacked now before they become fully active. Secondly, the technology to be gained in a full scale war with the Necrons would help with fighting both the Tyranids and (if the necron fluff is accurate) with weapons that would help combat warp intrusions into realspace. The Tyranids need to be attacked with overwhelming force as soon as possible, so that they do not build up a surplus of biomass, and to help convince the (various?) hiveminds that more effeicient pickings are to be had in other galaxies. Flesh that fights is after all, harder to digest that flesh that doesn't. After these threats are dealt with, and only then would the Emperor turn to the threat posed by Chaos. Not because it would be easiest to defeat, but rather the hardest, since it would breed fifth columns in his own forces and is bred into the very genes of humanity. Only with all external threats are defeated, and its own internal strcucture strengthened could Humanity deal with the threat that Chaos poses.
However. The method by which such a threat might be eliminated would not be by outright battle. Even if all the servants of the Chaos Gods were killed, the Gods themselves would be strengthened by the very deaths and passions that such a war would generate.
2h What is required is to raise all humanity to the level of the Emperor. Such a task would require both new technologies on the behalf on the behalf of the Technocrats(Any survivors would not be called Tech priests, such veneration of a machine 'god' degrades humanity), training and shooling of psykers directly by the Emperor ect.
The problem would remain though, that any humans so raised up above their fellows would begin to feel pride(like the primarchs) and might repeat the failures of the Horus Heresy. Other than attempting to raise the capabilities of all humans simultaneously, I don't see any way of achieving this.
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I sense a lot of people here need to use a Spell Check, I hate to be a cow about spelling but you people really should be able to spell Emperor correctly.
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That aside I doubt the Emperor ever will return to the mortal plane, I think leaving his physical body behind is the next step for him really.
That could make things far harder for the Chaos Gods if the Emperor can oppose them directly, the C'tan and Tyranids though could present a very different challenge.
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That aside I doubt the Emperor ever will return to the mortal plane, I think leaving his physical body behind is the next step for him really.
That could make things far harder for the Chaos Gods if the Emperor can oppose them directly, the C'tan and Tyranids though could present a very different challenge.
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There is a doomsday experience in which the Empy does just that, he passes into the warp and becomes the equivalent of a Chaos god, but it won't happen as long as GW is making money.
Yari, Yari, Yari...You poor fool, you speak as if the planets are ours to be stolen from
Anyway, I have to disagree with all of you who say he will come back and spread forth his love. It won't happen, he probably won't come back. But if and I do mean IF he did, I promise you he would not be a happy camper. All those years in the golden throne, having psyker anfter pysker shoved down his perverbial throat, hearing their very souls die! That would drive any man(And lets face it, he is human after all) horribly, and utterly, insane.
Also, he coming back as a lunatic would make more sense and fit the dark fluff that is 40K. Having him become corrupted would seal humanity's fate beside the dying Eldar.
Just my opinion anyways...
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The problem is that the Empy is supposed to be reference to a Messiah figure so he won't destroy the Imperium and the rest of humanity, he has to save them.
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There is no concrete fluff reason why the Emperor cannot return in some form, so telling him that he's wrong is...wrong.
What about the 'dead Space Marines who died'? Regardless of their beliefs, death is death, and that particular Angel is loathe to change his mind. Basically, they're dead.
I reckon he would probably tear down the administration of the Imperium, seeing as they have become greedy and corrupt.
I don't think the Emperor is a Messiah, because he is just a higher form of Human, powerful yes, but he's not a God. He is the template for the ideal Human, what everyone would have become had he not died, which incidentally would mean an end (almost) to the power of Chaos.
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I'm serious thinking about the Emperor seeing humanity as useless and continouing with HIS marines... Since the Space Marines only obey the Emperor...
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Then we would reintroduce legions!!! And add Eldar genes to teh geneseed... Space Marines with an I of 6... Yeah!!!
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Then we would reintroduce legions!!! And add Eldar genes to teh geneseed... Space Marines with an I of 6... Yeah!!!
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That would be difficult, seeing as the hormone treatment to create marines leave their reproductive organs all shrivelled and useless, so they aren't exactly good in the procreation stakes. I think it was RJSuperfreaky, but someone in the Female Marines thread pointed out that at the end of the organ implants and the cancelling out of female hormones and the like, they would look and act pretty much like blokes anyway.TehDarkPredator said:
And that Eldar idea... ick.
well, the emperor wouldnt return. To my knowledge, what in the fluff is going to happen, is that all the Illumanti are going to sacrifice the emperors children, to join the greater posisitive warp mass known as the star child. when the emperor dies, he joins it, and the whole of that positive warp mass is reincarnated into somebody.
Or another idea i think that was proposed by gw is that the emperor is only living on till the human beings as a whole finally develop pyschly (spelling). like orks humans are latent pyskers...
Or another idea i think that was proposed by gw is that the emperor is only living on till the human beings as a whole finally develop pyschly (spelling). like orks humans are latent pyskers...
who says that the Emperor is still "alive" in the Golden throne? what we do know, is that he has to devour sould of psykers to stay alive and power the Astronomicon. what if the souls of the psykers go into a machine and power the Astrinimicon without any interference of the long dead Emperor? his death could be covered up quite neatly, for nobody really sees him walking in the park with his pudel. He can already be dead, or already reborn. but the Imperial propaganda (remember, nobody even knows of the Horus Herecy!!!) kept it secret? the Emperor might be building power as he did before he ascended to be the ruler of mankind. remember that fellow Sebastian Thor? was not he considered being the Emperor reborn? sorry if i dont make sence, this is WAY past my bedtime ^^
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Also, if he died, the Astromnican would aslo die, and the Imperium would be *screwed*.
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Didnt the sisters of battle get taken before the emperor by the custodes durring vandires reign of blood? Wouldnt that mean then that he would still be alive?
Yeah, unless the Custodes are pulling a "Wizard of Oz" scenario.
"That? That's the Golden Throne. It sustains the Emperor, who is our sacred charge. His physical requirments grow daily more vast...."
"So, here is next years project 'golden throne expansion' budget, we...I mean the Emperor will next at least 5 million more than last year."
"Oh, and the Emperor? He says the next batch of psykers the Inquisition Black ship boys bring for him to 'consume' have to be young women between the ages of....what that?"
"He's finicky! Do you want a happy Emperor, or a wrathful Emperor?! Damn right."
"That? That's the Golden Throne. It sustains the Emperor, who is our sacred charge. His physical requirments grow daily more vast...."
"So, here is next years project 'golden throne expansion' budget, we...I mean the Emperor will next at least 5 million more than last year."
"Oh, and the Emperor? He says the next batch of psykers the Inquisition Black ship boys bring for him to 'consume' have to be young women between the ages of....what that?"
"He's finicky! Do you want a happy Emperor, or a wrathful Emperor?! Damn right."
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Thats hilarious!! *Imagines Custodes behind big curtain pretending to be the emperor*
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Thats hilarious!! *Imagines Custodes behind big curtain pretending to be the emperor*
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If the Emperor returned, there's no telling what would happen..
For one, would he even be the same person? In a recent BL piece, a character supposedly met the warp presence of the Emperor, and it was pretty much insane.
Imagine, if you will, a being capable of tearing titans apart single handedly going on the rampage. Worse, without his incredible focus, that power would be outright dangerous, both because of the predations of chaos, and because of the simple destruction it would unleash.
Even if the Emperor still maintained his sanity, and his presence didn't cause a massive civil war, whose to say he would change anything? There are new threats in the galaxy, and the Emperor, while powerful, isn't invincible. The implication is that the chaos forces assaulting the imperial palace expected to be able to kill him. Whose to say the C'tan couldn't do it, especially if they cooperated.
Would be an awesome battle though, the Emperor versus 4 C'tan.. perhaps you could throw some greater daemons in for good luck.
For one, would he even be the same person? In a recent BL piece, a character supposedly met the warp presence of the Emperor, and it was pretty much insane.
Imagine, if you will, a being capable of tearing titans apart single handedly going on the rampage. Worse, without his incredible focus, that power would be outright dangerous, both because of the predations of chaos, and because of the simple destruction it would unleash.
Even if the Emperor still maintained his sanity, and his presence didn't cause a massive civil war, whose to say he would change anything? There are new threats in the galaxy, and the Emperor, while powerful, isn't invincible. The implication is that the chaos forces assaulting the imperial palace expected to be able to kill him. Whose to say the C'tan couldn't do it, especially if they cooperated.
Would be an awesome battle though, the Emperor versus 4 C'tan.. perhaps you could throw some greater daemons in for good luck.
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