A humanoid alien race called the Necrontyr who, despite possessing highly advanced technology, never left their homeworld since the entire race suffered from extreme radiation poisoning caused by their overactive sun, cursing them to endure short, painfully bitter lives. They had medical technology miles in advance of anything we could imagine but it was useless simply because they all died young anyway.

It was this bitterness that lead them to throw their lot in with the C'Tan, who promised them they would cast down the ruling races - the Eldar, namely - and that the Necrontyr would have the longevity they deserved after living through aeons of racial pain. Of course, it was all a massive gyp and their souls were imprisoned in numb and mindless metal automatons.

 

I believe the Necrontyr did leave their star system (they fought wars with the old ones before encountering the C'tan, the eldar didn't exist at that stage), it seems likely that the genetic damage was done though, so it didn't help them much.

The Nightbringer had been feeding inside the Necrontyr home star, I believe.. The Necrons discovered it and built the first necrodermis to house it, and it promptly responded by going on a rampage and devouring large numbers of them before they convinced it to stop, I always thought that was a nice image.

"Welcome, visitor from the stars! We are the Necrontyr and we come in peace to welcome you to our homewo.. eep!"

Yeah, as poodle said, their technology was extremely advanced.. Most common Necron devices were designed by them, as the C'tan had never needed or had any use for technology before. However, they had no psychic abilities and were thus disadvantaged compared to their enemies, the Old Ones, who were very powerful in that regard.

I always imagined them as skinny, grey skinned hunchbacks.. The necrons themselves are modelled after them.

 

What were the Necrons? Androids, and they rolled 3 white target dice to hit

I miss Space Crusade.....

 

Just a couple extensions to the question

What/who came first, the Old Ones or the C'Tan? What exactly were they both?

And the Nectroyr came before the Eldar, yeah?

What made the Necrotyr's minds to become so blank and robotic-like when they were imprisoned? How come they have no emotion/thought (AFAIK)?

 

It's all in the necron codex

I'd advise getting it. It's also usefull so you can learn about their special rules and you don't bother jONESIE, Kore and Sparty with questions like 'How does WBB work?'.

The order is:

C'tan
Old ones
Necrontyr
(C'tan in necrodermis)
(Necrons as Necrons)
Eldar

.. so the eldar are the same generation of race as orks and humans. IE created by the old ones to counter Necron/C'tan forces

The Necrontyr were harvested by the C'tan and put into living metal shells to protect them from further mutation and physical blight. This was done at a the price of having their emotion/thought revoked.

Basically, a similar thing happens when you watch TV.

 

how did they get put in there Nercon shells in the first place did the ctan take there souls and put them in there....?:|

 

karmoon has it all right on the nose.

it is my interpretation, though it is never specifically mentioned, that the metal bodies the necrons now have are metal effigies of what a necrontyr skeleton looked like, so we can assume they looked like that with skin and such.

the fluff is foggy, at least to me, on what part the humans played in this, according to eldar stuff they have been around alot longer than humans, theres alot of chronological inconsistencies. the best i can figure is the big war happened and sometime later the humans were both cultivated by the old ones and had the pariah gene seeded into them by the c'tan.

it also appears the c'tan had insane technological knowledge that came with their mastery of the physical world, as the necrons were offered the oppurtunity to go into the metal bodies by the c'tan, and didn't come up with it themselves.

actually, ive been thinking. my best educated guess would be that crons had the tech, but had no concept of the spiritual, they needed the c'tan to transfer the souls to the machines.
c'tan did this and feasted on the leftover bodies, this much i know.

as to why they are mindless, they didn't necesarily sell their intellects.
they don't have as much true, but they do have shadows of what they once were, the sheer scope of the time they have been around has likely eroded alot of what they had away.
60 million years of stasis alone, who knows how long before, the sheer scope is hard for us to understand, but they bear a tremendous weight of time on their shoulders.
and they arent so much automatons as...why do they need to think? they are slaves to their gods and have few purposes other than doing their will, they communicate without vocalization, to us they would seem mindless, but they may be doing complex coordinating.

there is fluff from battlefleet gothic speaking of the seemingly random patterns necron ships wildly attack in, without any visible formation. it is then theorised that they may be employing formations that are so complex they seem like random directions, i thought that was pretty interesting.

 

Didnt Necrons come after Eldar, and Eldar came after Necrontyr?

 

to my knowledge parasite the necrontyr were made into the necrons before the eldar came along, perhaps they existed as a race, but the modified natural psykers we know them as today were a product of the second war started against the old ones.

 

re read this last night

1. Old ones created vast empire
2. Necrontyr were younger race, because of their fraility due to their sun they resented and tried to fight old ones, pretty much lost and were almost wiped out, despite their superior technology, they could not cope with old ones manipulation of the empeium (warp)
3. Necrontyr descover C'Tan living off solar radiation, they have existied for ever (i.e. predate the old ones) but (interpretation) are more like animals than a higher race. Thje necrontyr gave them phisical form made from living metal (whatsidermis) at which point their sentinence became apparent, as did their hunger, in return they they became gods of the necrontyre and offered imortality to the necrontyre, giving them metalic bodies and in turn consuming the organic bodies of the necrontyre, hence necrons were born from the necrontyre race which died. (note as I see it this means there is only a finite number of necrons)
4. the necrons and C,Tan now started to attack the old ones, and start to win, desperately the old ones started to create (the) younger races with more and more psychic ability, notably the eldar originated during this period, despite this the C'Tan and Necrons continue to win, subjugating most of the galaxy and harvesting them, the C'Tan start to fight amongst themselves, and the old ones finally create the enslavers, who becoem totally out of control
5. the C'Tan and necrons faced withthe enslavers decided to withdraw from an active role in the galaxy and wait until all the psychic activity created by the old ones dies down, they go to sleep, onyl to wake up when a race whose signature is suitable for them to harvest intrudes on their tombs
6. The old ones have withdrawn/left, the rise of the eldar empire
7.The fall of the eldar, in the absence of the old ones, some of their most recent creations go awaray, (humanity)
8. humanity starts to wake the Necrons/C'Tan, although there is still far too much of the Empyrian about

 

the old ones finally create the enslavers, who becoem totally out of control

I thought the Warp made the Enslavers, not the Old Ones? I know the Enslavers came from the Warp, but I didnt think the Old Ones actually made them?

 

Actually, what the Necron Codex says is: "The Old Ones brought forth newer creations to defend their last strongholds, like the hardy, green-skinned Krork and the technology-mimicking Jokaero, but [...] their greatest works and places of power overrun by the horrors their own creations had unleashed. Most proficient of these horrors were the Enslavers..." (Under the sub-heading The Apocalypse Looms) The vast amounts of negative emotions altered previously calm warp entities and they became predators, such as the Enslavers. It isn't said that these warp entities were created by the Old Ones.

 

ok this is true, but hte implication of brought forth plus the impact they had infers that if the old ones did not create them, they were not abroad in the universe before they were "Brought forth"

 

I always thought the C'Tan ate souls and that they spared the Necrontyr their feast by putting them into metal bodies.

I can't remember the C'Tan actually eating flesh.

It's stressed in the fluff that the Tyranids ignore Necron Tombworlds because they are dead.

Surely, if the C'Tan ate flesh, then the Tombworlds would go to war against the 'nids?

That many bio-forms would be the C'tan version of an all-you-can-eat buffet.

 

The C'Tan eat energy specifically. Biological energy. The Tyranids avoid tomb worlds because they've been stripped of all biomass for consumption by the C'Tan. Thus, the Necrontyr surrendered their bodies while their souls found new homes in their little metal casings. We can also know this because Pariahs are specifically Soulless.

 

Think on how the robots in the Matrix used humans for power and it's roughly what the C'Tan do, though of course they don't bother with the feeding tubes and the elaborate virtual reality. Humans are like a little power-up bar to the C'Tan.

 

C'tan and Necrons

The Necrontyr where a race which was jealous of the Old Ones, because upon the place where they lived in the galaxy had stars which caused destruction upon their worlds killing off their race, making their life span short and uncertain, each moment of their lives was under agony as they lived under the painful stars, they decided to pursue through science a way of keeping themselves from death but to no avail. When they encountered the Old Ones, they became jealous of their race because they did not suffer as the Necrontyr did from there their civillisation went to war with the Old Ones and any spawn of the Old Ones that existed. Naturally with this, the Necrontyr could never truly defeat, the old ones, the old ones which could move swiftly, live longer and naturally thanks to their longer life-span had a stronger grasp of technological advancements. The Necrontyr continued to research the mysterious stars even through the war trying to uncover the reasoning behind why it was so destructive towards them, this eventually led to the discovery of a mysterious entity which fed upon the magnetic storms, it was discovered that these entities had realization that they existed and through some "Unknown" means the Necrontyr gave them a bodily form and named them C'tan.

The C'tan Deceiver promised the Necrontyr what they always wanted, immortality but as is known now at the cost of their very souls. It is unknown if they Necrontyr actually had any idea of the price that they would pay by making such a deal yet they agreed so that they finally make the Old ones suffer and collapse their empire.

The Old Ones fought with fierce determination to fight off the Necron threat, to the point on which they started to generate new races to fight against them, including the destructive Krork and the first beginnings of the Eldar race, through doing this they made a mistake I assume that the enslavers broke themselves into reality, slaying all within their wake destroying all that the C'tan wished to feed upon, to the C'tan decided to play the waiting game as they developed tombs to hide within until the galaxy would be once again ripe for devouring. Both the Nightbringer and the Deceiver and the other C'tan which is rumored to be the Machine God whose temple lies on Mars.

The other C'tan known as the Outsider was deceived by the Deceiver when the C'tan started to feed upon themselves, the Outsider devoured many of the other Star Gods as the C'tan became fragments within the Outsider driving him insane forcing himself into exile and left the galaxy. It is a rumor that it is the Outsider that drives the Tyranid threat into the galaxy as the C'tan hunts them down and because of that the Tyranids have moved into this Galaxy. Its rumored by the Harlequins that on one dark night he shall return.

It is also said that all races have a fear of death thanks to the Night Bringer, apart from the Krork which never encountered the Nightbringer which explains why they do not have a real fear of death any more. Read "An Age of Slaughter" for more information about that on page 28. At the end when the Nightbringer went into its hibernation the Deceiver decided to lay a trap for the Night bringer that weakened it as it rested. Since the Deceivers time in the galaxy it generally has tried to recruit new followers (Pariahs) and stop stupid Mon-Kegh from awaking its brothers from their stasis.

 

Here is a question, are necrons still creative? Can they still advance technologically? If they are mindless drones locked away for 60+ million years shouldn't their technology be less effective due to other races advances?

hmmm *strokes imaginary beard*

 

Here is a question, are necrons still creative? Can they still advance technologically? If they are mindless drones locked away for 60+ million years shouldn't their technology be less effective due to other races advances?

Well, I suppose not. Humans still cannot figure out Gauss weapons.

 

Things wrong:
-The C'tan Didn't Eat the necrontyr Flesh, They DON'T eat flesh
-The Enslavers weren't created by the old ones, but like gods (chaos ones) They ahve been created by the young races
-The Enslavers were dangerous the The Old Ones
-C'tan feed off the bioelectricity everyone gives off...
-Necron have the most powerfull Technology (probally for ever too)
-Keep in mind we haven't seen the necrons weapons yet just their "Harvesting tools"
-Necron sAND C'tans Have nothing to do with Souls, as soon as one post says "Necrons Eat souls" because the person thinks thats what happens. Skip that psot that person doesn't know anything of necrons.

EDIT:- The Outsider didn,t leave the galaxy.
-Nids weren,t created by old ones NOR the Outsider
-Tau aren't necrons...

TheEnd

 

Things wrong:
-The C'tan Didn't Eat the necrontyr Flesh, They DON'T eat flesh
...
-C'tan feed off the bioelectricity everyone gives off...

, sorry cant help myself... E=MC^2

 

Hight lighting a fact

As I said with my previous post that it was a rumor and I think it has some credibility that it is the Outsider chasing the Tyranids into this galaxy, it does say he was exiled and there isn't anywhere else that a thing such as C'tan can really hide. Lets not forget, by chances, the Outsider probably still has his ship (Unlike the Nightbringer who was prevented by the Space Marines). If you have any sources that denies this theory then I would love to hear it but as for the Outsider creating the Tyranids.. :| Well yeah. He didn't. That would be quite stupid.

 

Hey, does anybody know exactly what the Enslavers are? Like, what they either look like, or what they might be classified as? Daemons? Demi-gods? Just something I've been wondering about for a while.

 

There was images of them a few years ago in WD, in the creature feature article.

Bascially big bags of gas with tentacles attached.

 

Bear in mind that the necrontyr also dealt in a bit of race manipulation too.

The image of death in Eldar and Human culture. The Nightbringer missed his bus to Ork space, so they don't fear death.

Also, they manipulated humans in other ways - the pariah gene and Elvis and Michael Jackson etc.

 

A single enslaver will psychically infest a human from the warp. The enslaver turns the humans biomass into a portal for more enslavers to come through from the warp to reality.
Stuff starts blowing up.

 

They are, as the name implies, a sort of warp-borne plague, fatal to psychically attuned races. They are daemons, but primeval proto-daemons that were partying it up before the Fantastic Four ever even met in whatever dank, smoky hellhole passes for a pub in the Immaterium. They don't have any specific relationship to the current pantheon and it's suggested that they evolved into the three elder Chaos Gods, who were formed around human emotions.

 

as harley said, kind of like Jelly fish, although I am starting to have suspicions about my children
Tavion, you appear to be confusing official fluff with your own imagination

 

Oh hey, thanks guys. I managed to find a GW picture of an Enslaver. They look pretty cool!

http://uk.games-workshop.com/downlo...com/download/popup.htm?/warhammer40000/creature-feature/images/enslaver-big.jpg