I had heard that there would be god specific marine lists in the new book ( as in deathgaurd, EC, TS, and WE)

To be quite honest I have gotten used to the new CSM dex as is. If they do not allow them to be used together I do not think I will be overly upset but if they do allow them to be used together I will just count it as a nice little bonus...

 

I'm with Angel on this, we do have pretty well rounded codex, even tough I miss my 'letters...
I wouldn't count on there being anything for us in the new codex.

 

Nah, I think we should get another codex..I want my Rubric Terminators back. Either way, 40k and Fantasy ain't compatible rule wise.

 

Ok, I'll chime in as a naysayer.

I can't help but think the logistics of this are daunting. GW is on 4th edition of 40k, with 5th probably in 2011 (my conjecture here). They are on what, version 23 of Fantasy? If just seems like the book is doomed to lose half it's validity rulewise in a weird, out-of-phase manner due to release schedules.

Actually, I really think this part of the rumor is not going to happen. Fantasy and 40k have been diverging for years. Is Slannesh going to be the Doom of the High Elves? Just doesn't make sense. It would have to be essentially two seperate books mashed up into one. Anything else is going to require vasaline and a crowbar to fit it all together.

Releasing the new Codex and Armybook separately, along with the new (wretched) models seems to make more sense.

 

I've heard smells that cult lists will be included in it.. which makes it all worth it to be honest.

I'd love to have special rules for deathgaurd.. terminators will feel no pain, furious assault, inferno bolts etc etc

We can but hope I guess. heh heh.

 

Don't even get me thinking about these prospects 8X (I have real life work to do!).

Perhaps then we would have the restored option of upgrading slaaneshi termi combi-bolters with sonic blasters.

 

I must say I'm extremely doubful as to the W40k/WFB in-one-book thingie.

While it's quite fluffy for chaos, GW has historically kept its universes completely separated from one another. It would be a big departure to change this stance, not to mention that many people would not want to pay for a half of codex they would not use.

We'll see....

 

do not panic. Do not smash your models. Do not hurt yourself.

Well, it's a good thing you stopped me.

Personally, my opinions on this have been expressed clearly and vehemently on these boards and others in the past. It'd be a travesty in my view were the Codices not compatible. But I'm a bugger like that. Lesser Daemons bug me.

I'm also kind of ambiguous on the Fantasy/40k combine book. While the link between the universes opens up some possibilities for fluff, it's not like it hasn't been done already, and if GW wants to shy away from such a link as they have shown in the past, they should release separate books. Also the systems are less than compatible in some ways.

The new models disturb me.

My twopence.

 

Personally I think that if they release a deamon only codex, I will be the first one to play a purely deamon army. I have wanted to do that since I first started playing Chaos. All Nurgle, all the time. I'll be mad if I dont get to use my deamon prince, though.

 

Hmm.. I have my doubts about a crossover codex. But who knows..

I mean, back in the good old days (or as I like to call them, the bad old days, rogue trader was.. wierd) the systems were largely similar between the two games. Nowadays, it would waste a lot of space to stick large ammounts of cross game material and rules into one book. But then, who knows. Stranger things have happened.

Also slightly odd on the no crossovers thing. While it certainly would make the whole thing easier to balance, it would also alienate a lot of people. Now, again, who knows.. GW makes some strange decisions sometimes. But I'm not sure about that.. I runs away from the precedent set in the Fantasy chaos material, as well, which I think many people enjoy.

The one I'm waiting for are the Cult Codices.. (Codex: World Eaters, etc) There has been talk on the subject, and personally I really hope they do it. That would be awesome..

 

As much as I hate the two in one book idea, all I really want is sweet cultists and mutants.

I mean we need someone to summon all those daemons. If we get cultists and mutants plus the supposed, over 20 daemonic units, i'd be one happy camper.

 

I fear that Legion-specific units and LatD are Apoc datasheet material now.
But yeah, a Daemonic codex is coming out. There are photos of new Letters and Nettes floating around the interwebs.
Not really sure if it'll be a 40K/Fantasy book.

 

You know honestly I wish GW would stop making codex's for a week and answer some freakin questions about rule contradictions and then publish them. [/RANT] Sorry, had a battle today where we weren't sure what to do in a couple of instances.

I would be happy to see some Cult army rules like Deathguard and such, but I'd like to see some Legion rules too, like Iron Warriors and, in my deepest, darkest, most Chaotic dreams that will never ever happen, a cool, uber-super overpowered Black Legion codex.....but you know...can't have everything.....

And of course this only gives me all the more reasons to work for GW and start a revolt...

 

I'd like the old flavors of chaos to show their faces again.... And I want more Nurgle! I mean, with a name like that, how can you want anything else?

 

Please not another crossover book, I know the chaos gods are fickle but really...

I hope they bring back the cult legions just for flavor sake, and there better be a GodD@Mn list for some sort of offical LATD army or I am sending Jervis a "strongly worded letter "!! of displeasure !! I know I can use the old list unoffically with friends but it's just not the same anymore.
All joking asside It will be nice to get all the deamons back but I really hope they stay away from the crossover book. Mainly because they always tend to be 80% fantasy and 20% 40k not a reall good split for us.

 

Well, I don't have the thread handy, but there's one right here on LO that says that the Daemonic Books are going to be separate: one for 40K and one for Fantasy. Makes sense, as so many of you have already said. It's in a post that's showing a lot of excitement over the GW airbrush, supposedly being designed to look like a Hand Flamer.

Anyway, I'm with Adeptjosh and Soul Reap; I want the Lost and the Damned back. I want a codex that I can use my 40K Beastmen models with. I've poured my heart into their backstory and converted models using pieces of my soul. It's not that I want to take them to any kind of official tournament, but I'd like to see that project reach some kind of fruition.

So, actually, I'm looking forward to this book to see what NON-daemonic units will be included.

I never claimed to make sense, so nobody can yell at me.

 

Well, I don't have the thread handy, but there's one right here on LO that says that the Daemonic Books are going to be separate: one for 40K and one for Fantasy. Makes sense, as so many of you have already said. It's in a post that's showing a lot of excitement over the GW airbrush, supposedly being designed to look like a Hand Flamer.

Anyway, I'm with Adeptjosh and Soul Reap; I want the Lost and the Damned back. I want a codex that I can use my 40K Beastmen models with. I've poured my heart into their backstory and converted models using pieces of my soul. It's not that I want to take them to any kind of official tournament, but I'd like to see that project reach some kind of fruition.

So, actually, I'm looking forward to this book to see what NON-daemonic units will be included.

I never claimed to make sense, so nobody can yell at me.

Yes, Thats exactily what I want, I'm excited about the non-daemonic units because I've already seen the daemonic units from the last chaos codex and the new ones models. While daemons are already of a known nature, cultists and muants just have a unique flavor that can be made manifested by converting them. Plus, as I said before, how are the daemons going to get on the table without units to summon them.

I look forward to starting them when I finish my chaos space marine collection/army.

 

New information: http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1034944&postcount=1

I dunno how reliable the source is though.

 

A Daemon World codex is nice, in my opinion, but I don't really have much use for it as a Thousand Sons player. Nevertheless it will be a welcome addition. What I'm more looking forward to is the new models that will inevitably be released when the codex comes out - I'm hoping for Daemon Prince models in the vein of the Nurgle Daemon Prince released during the Medusa V campaign, based on the Undivided one. I hope they do the same for the other gods.

 

As far as rumors go, I think this latest one -as linked by the Karmoon above- is a lot more reasonable.

Deciding that one massive book of chaos for Fantasy and 40k, which wouldn't be compatible with any current rules is too much of a project, and that dates are getting pushed back sounds a lot more like GW to me.

They could just stick with the original plan, and get a daemon book for 40k, and everyone would be happy. No reason to muck up Fantasy for that.

If they would like to append the Fantasy rules to include some new daemon characters and whatnot, more power to them; there's just no reason to put out some giant hardcover book that would be pointless for a lot of Chaos players to serve that purpose.

If these new rumors are accurate, I'd be good with that.

 

No LATD is seems: (from warseer - rds8n)

"Well I was at the GT heat 2 event on the weekend and attended the "presentational seminar that wasn't"-- as it seemed Mr. Johnson, bless him, didn't actually have a password for the computer so we never got to see the powerpoint presentation for the ork stuff-- so he fielded a quick impromptu Q & A session. If anyone reading this was there I was/am the big mass o'hair and smouldering good looks who sat at the back with all the other cool kids. I specifically asked if there would be any crossover between the 2 books and was told NO, the 2 books will be entirelu independent. When i collared Mr. Johnson later and again the next day, whilst he couldn't say too much as the book is still very much under development currently there will be NO, ZERO,NADA L & D in it. It's a demon book with a lot of emphasis on the chaos pantheon and how they/it interacts. They're keen to expound upon the chaos element of the Warhammer games as that is the "very essence, the hook" of Warhammer games. The talk was then briefly drowned out by Mr. Moorcock's lawyers falling over each other in haste to get to court."

 

That really is a shame. I still hold on to hope, though, that Daemons will not be so expensive that they cannot be used to represent mutants or heretics dedicated to their respective gods. Oh yeah, this is also contingent on Daemons not being summoned to the battlefield, though if you take a look at Dawn of War, apparently all of the forces of Chaos live in the Warp and can be summoned to any planet. Even cultists. I still maintain that there is a bright side to all of this, and that is that the Imperial Guard can still be adapted to fit any mob of traitors and heretics. Well, I suppose it won't be a mob as such, but close enough. Besides, if you think about it, the LatD list is actually mostly Guard anyway.

 

I still maintain that there is a bright side to all of this, and that is that the Imperial Guard can still be adapted to fit any mob of traitors and heretics. Well, I suppose it won't be a mob as such, but close enough. Besides, if you think about it, the LatD list is actually mostly Guard anyway.

What about the mutants? All those creepy, gribbly mutants with their wicked powers and such? Sure, we could still have the non-Astartes Chaos legions, but what about the non-human legions?

I stand by my original plan: check out the book when it comes out, and make my decision then. Meanwhile, I use the original LatD list. I don't play official tournaments anyway; I like the friendly game, and I like the hobby, so I'll continue converting my force.

Who knows? Maybe if they're going to go the way of the Dogs of War, we'll see a new downloadable list in the future.

 

With such a abundance of fluff and practical need I just can't beleive Gw would turn thier back on any kinda of LATD, forge world already printed a book with traitor gaurd for the love of pete!

After the success of book series like Gaunts ghost and the recent fluff on the Voscani cataphracts, we as players deserve some sort of offical List for our Non-Astartes chaos legions. Gw really can't tease us with one list and then just say thier won't be any kinda of follow up. Besides without the cultist , traitors and mutant hordes thier wouldn't be much for the inquisition to do but stand around and purge each other.

They really should include a New LATD list into the future range and codex plans if for no other reason than it fits the fluff.

Not one to stir the pot and rant , I heard that the current rumor mill has mentioned strong possibility of a 40k version of the " dogs of war " book may be in the works. Also I have noticed a Oddity in my copy of Apocalypse , On the bottom of pg 171 there are a few deamon types that are mentioned that I have definatly never heard of and Since these books were written to be forwardly compatible.... hmmmm....

 

Bear in mind, guys, that like all GW releases it's going to depend on whether they have a new range of shiny miniatures to promote. If not, then they won't expend any time or effort just to accommodate us gamers. Very little profit there. New daemon minis means a daemon-only codex.

I've given up on the idea of having a tournament-legal LatD force, but it's actually not hard to use bits of the various lists available to assign stats to whatever you have in your army, if you mainly play friendly games against opponents who care more about the game than the rules. I recommend getting hold of a copy of Imperial Armour 5 - The Siege of Vraks. Combining elements of the renegades in there (the Ogryn Berzerkers are especially nice) with the old Eye of Terror list, plus the IG codex and the Death Korps of Krieg, and you can put together a good army list for more or less any traitor/cultist force.

 

Man, I hate to see such a good thing as LAtD go, but yeah, I can use the imperial guard codex for that. This just gives me an opportunity to convert me up a crazy chaos command squad.8XAhh, I can imagine it now.

So, I guess I'll do what NiteRabbit suggested. A very good idea.

 

Just Got home from our local GW store where i was speaking to the store manager about the relese date of the daemon codex.

He told me with some certainty, the release date is APRIL 2008!

jan = orks
feb = a lotr army begining with 'm'
march = vampires
April = daemons!

i dont know if this is old news for some of you, but any extra info is good info imo.

i asked 1 further question about the models, 'if they will be releasing new greater daemons?'

i got a cryptic answer - he knows the answer, but is not allowed to tell, so he said, "all i can say is 'have you noticed FW are producing a range of daemon/daemon prices recently?'"

quite what this means im unsure, however my first thought is no GW wont be making new greater daemons, they will be doing a duel release of models with FW?

id be interested to hear your thoughts on this too.

 

"feb = a lotr army begining with 'm'"

just for record, the lotr army is Mahud. its like a new type of Haradrim. as for the forgeworld greater daemon minis, im still waiting 4 the lord of change, as i have a 4000pt army of tzeentch daemons

 

I was surprised the new apoc-forgeworld book didn't have any tzeentch daemon lord, personally. Maybe because they don't have a fancy-model for it, but they don't have a fancy model for the plaguebearer baneblade varient either to be technical.

I, a non-chaos player, found it weird because there's already a nice, established bad-ass tzeentch lord of change lord in the form of M'kachen or however you spell his name, the eternal foe of Captain Stern.

For my part, I'm hoping the new codex gives more...mortal...chaos worshippers as well as daemons and the like. I'd like turning the flamers of my gals and my laud hailers on folks who aren't in power armor and ridiculously sure of themselves.