I have often thought about this and my theory goes as follows:-

Leman Russ, primarch of the space wolves returns from his quest to find the seeds to the tree of life (that will heal the Emperor).

He then 'feeds' them to the emporer and for the first time in 10,000 years he awakens.
The Emperor then proceeds to gather as many primarchs as he can, with the seeds he heals Roboute Guilliman of the ultramarines.

The Emperor, Russ, and Guilliman then head for the dark angels monastary so the Emperor can heal Lion el johnson.

With these primarchs they lead a second crusade and the imperium becomes as heretic-free as it could.

They then hunt for the other lost primarchs.....

and...errr...thats as far as I have got so what do you think?

 

You missed the part where he kills most of the administrsomething for changing things from what he actually wanted, makes people stop worshiping him and all the other things. Heck it says right in the Inquisitor rule book (cant remember which) but they could have revived him less than a year after his was put in the golden throne but didn’t because it would render the astronomicon useless and the people in power after he 'died' didn’t want to lose it.

If he’s reborn into a new body he'll need to start a new crusade to uncorrupt the Imperium from the imperials, not heretics, the Imperium choose who and what was heresy, not the emperor.

 

There would no doubt be a second schism, and the galaxy would tear itself apart. People just wouldn't believe the Emperor had returned. Not to mention the High Lords and the Eclesiarchy being pretty hacked off at losing their power.

I don't think the Astronomican would stop working though, after all, it was running throughout the Great Crusade wasn't it?

 

I don't think the Astronomican would stop working though, after all, it was running throughout the Great Crusade wasn't it?

No, warp travel was more dangerous but still possabile, but with the Emperor alive he could affect it. He is a Chaos God (well, powerful warp entity anyway).

 

No, warp travel was more dangerous but still possabile, but with the emporer alive he could affect it. He is a Choas God (well, powerful warp entity anyway).

Ok, thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't 100% sure anyway.

On topic, I remember reading the old Star Child fluff, which states that the Emperor could be reborn if his body was allowes to die, but that's defunct now, I'm afraid.

Outsider, your post about resurrecting/healing the Primarchs got me thinking, does anyone know what actually happened to Sanguinius' body? I know it was carried back to Earth, and I assume it's on Baal in a shrine, but does anything say specifically what happened?

 

I didn’t think that the fluff ever really clarified what exactly happened to Sanguinius' body. The fact of the matter is that the background isn’t really clear about anything that happened after the Emperors battle with Horus. All that we know for sure is that Rogal Dorn found Sanguinius' dead body and the emperor near death. It just says that Dorn took the Emperors body back to earth to be interred in the golden throne. No where does it say what happened to Sanguinius' body. He might have just left him on the ship. It doesn’t even say if there was any other survivors from the boarding party besides Dorn himself.

 

I think the Emperor would be disgusted with what the Imperium has become and turn to chaos. Then of course he would naturally start tearing the Imperium apart.

If he was reborn as another person, he'd be deemed a heretic and killed. For example, the Thorians believe the Emperor can and will be reborn, other sects of the inquisition try and kill the person who might be the Emperor reborn.

 

There would of course be huge scism in the Imperium and the Emperor would come out triumphant (being the emperor and all) but it would take a while. After that he would of course resume his crusade destroying everything in his wake... The living loyalist primarchs would return and follow him of course, just adding more fuel to the unstoppable train the Imperium would become. All would die before him, just like it was before. I suppose at some point there would be no enemies left except inside the eye of terror and outside the galaxy itself (along witht he eldar hiding out and watching events unfold). Then a huge war between chaos and the new Imperium would begin (similar to the great war that put him in the chair to begin with). Of course the Emperor would have to devise some manner to effectively invade the eye. Abaddon would pull out all his tricks, the chaos Primarchs would get off their arses and fight, it would truly be a monumental battle... *drools at the thought*

Of course this will never happen.

1. GW will never let it happen, as I mentioned, with all these unavoidable events and the Emperor counquering all and what not, it wouldn't be a fun game anymore.

2. Fluff wise, the Emperor can't get up. Even he can't survive the blows Horus dealt to him, the only thing keeping him alive is the throne (that and his iron will of course). There is only the story of him dying and being re-born, or the one from the Draco Inquisition Wars novels, which is similar.

 

My theory goes like this -

The Emperor would awake, and be driven insane by all the torturous years spent in the golden throne. He woul smite all the Custodes and a large portion of holy Terra. After that he would go a massive crusade against all mankind for not listening to his word, and keeping him locked up for so long. He WOULD NOT ally with the other so called "Loyalist" Primarcs because it was they who btrayed him during the heresy and not the chaos marines, although he only learned this when it was too late(He was told of the loyalists betrayal by Horus on the battle barge, right before Rogal Dorn found them).


That's my story and I'm stickin' to it:tongue:

 

Basically, everything would just kinda fall apart in the galaxy, as various factions did their thing, the Tau would steal more star systems, Chaos would attack, widespread rebellion, yada yada yada.


It would probably end the Imperium, and all the other people who claimed the galaxy for their gods/ Greater Good/ sustenance/ personal advancement would duke it out until someone came out on top. Probably Chaos.


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I agree with the "Truth behind the Horus Heresy" story, the primarchs could have let him die and be reborn, and they knew that, but they decided against it because they would lose power.

 

wouldnt the people of the imperium be able to recognize the emperor for what he truly is? An individual of that much power and charisma wouldnt all the doubters have there fears taken away once they see him? Also I wouldnt think that it would cause a schism in the imperium because many of the space marine chapters have legends about their primarchs and the emperor returning to them in the final batttle against chaos. The only organization that I think might splinter is the ecclairsy (sorry if i spelled that wrong). Although that might have been what the emperor had been intending all along. Denying that he was a god maybe reinforced to the people of the imperium that he was one! The fact that he was omnipresent lends credibility to this fact in that he might have known what was going to happen to the imperium after his battle with horus. Perhaps he knew that his being interred in the golden throne was the only way to keep humanity together under his rule.

 

The fact that he was omnipresent lends credibility to this fact in that he might have known what was going to happen to the imperium after his battle with horus. Perhaps he knew that his being interred in the golden throne was the only way to keep humanity togather under his rule.

I don't think he was omniscient (I think that's the word you wanted, omnipresent means everywhere at once.)

Apparently, Eldrad (ph34r m4h 0v3rp0w3r3d fluff) Ulthran forsaw the Horus heresy better than he did, as did Magnus the Red.

 

I don't think he was omniscient (I think that's the word you wanted, omnipresent means everywhere at once.)

Apparently, Eldrad (ph34r m4h 0v3rp0w3r3d fluff) Ulthran forsaw the Horus heresy better than he did, as did Magnus the Red.

Well that might not be true, because there is no definitive way of seeing what the Emperor saw. You can read in the Index Astartes about Magnus the Red trying to warn the Emperor, or you can read in whatever about Elrad Ulthran (of which I admit, I am not familiar with the fluff there), but there is no fluff written in the perspective of the Emperor, so therefore you can't say with definite certainty that the Emperor didn't see himself getting nearly killed by Horus and blah blah blah...

Anyways getting back to the topic at hand. In my opinion, if the Emperor came back, due to the sheer size of the Imperium, the direct effect of this on the majority of worlds would probably be minimal, since it would take years upon years upon years to communicate that event to all the worlds of the imperium, especially if the Astronomicon went out due to the Emperor not being in the golden throne.

Also, I've also wondered about Sanguinus' body. You'd think that a Primarch's body would be like, the most holy of holies for a space marine chapter, but I don't think I've ever read anything about an actually place where his body is.

 

About Sanguinius's body: I donno either. I think Dorn thought: gotta save the Emperor, and S's body was forgotten. Most likely, they didn't want the Imperium reminded that a mutant kinda held off Chaos at the Eternity Gate, and fought Horus 'til the Emperor got there. As for the truth behind the Heresy... well Dorn though: S. is dead... more power for me!" But as cool as I think it is, I don't really agree with it... GW has already done a good job. Why justify Horus & the other Primarchs? Bad guys are cool!

I have a theory about the End of the Imperium in which the Emperor wakes up... but I'll start a different thread to explain the whole thing...

 

the primarchs could have let him die and be reborn, and they knew that, but they decided against it because they would lose power.

I disagree there; the Primarchs would probably not have known that the Emperor could be reborn, and so would have wanted to keep him alive. Plus the fact that the Emperor himself gave instructions on how to build the Golden Throne as Dorn carried him back.

And if it was not Horus who inflicted those wounds on him (seeing as Horus would have wanted to keep him alive and stuff, to rule the Imperium justly, I don't see why he needed to nearly kill him), then I don't think Dorn would have been capable of doing so; the Emperor could best pretty much all the primarchs in combat, or at any rate he was better than Dorn.

Of course, all we have to back this up is Imperial history, but given that that history was presented as gospel truth pre-3rd ed, I think we can take it that it's accurate.

 

Sanguinius's body was recovered and taken back to baal by his blood angels, there they took as much genetic data as they could to make more gene-seed (it didn't matter 'cause he's dead).

On a side note the sanguinary priests are injected with an iota of the primarch's blood so they can claim his blood really does flow in their veins.

 

Something which is thought of everyday by at least one person.....
I disagree entirely with the whole 'truth of the horus heresy' stuff, you've just got to look at the physical disposition of the traitor legions, if thats seen as good then by all means send me to the dark side...and another note is they think the emperor is a false god, so yeah. Anyway, thats not the issue at hand is it.

The Emperor, is and has always been the most powerful 'person' if he could be called that in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure i read that it was the Emperors compassion for Horus that stayed his hand until the last straw was broken and he had to kill him...by all means correct me is this is wrong...The emperor wouldn't go on a killing spree and kill all his space marine legions, and all the Imperium. Thats unfathomable, i agree that the primarchs didn't know that it was possible for the emperor to return, for indeed he himself gave the instructions to build the golden throne, it could well be that not even he knows it (just a stab in the dark with a blunt knife)....I think the only people he would seek answers from would be the High Lords of Terra...and even then i doubt he'd slaughter them.

Immediately after he did die, providing the astronomican dis there would be widespread panic. And even if it didn't go out, there would be select individuals who would sense it....Tigurius for one, being the most powerful physcer in the Imperium I'm sure he'd cotton on at some point. I don't think any other race would know immediately except maybe eldar and chaos, then they would yes take hold of that opportunity. If the Emperor did get reborn and not healed, I think at first he would be sough after by the Inquisition and whatever, but he wouldn't be deemed a heretic after anyone saw him, and even then they were still skeptical the emperor would retain the knowledge of the past 10000 years, it wouldn't be long before it was established that he was indeed the emperor.

It would all depend on how long it took before he got reborn i suppose. But once he did or got healed by old mate Leman, it would be somewhat of a great magnitude of madness. Most if not all of the primarchs would return to their rightful places, at the head of the chapters. All the chapters would reel heaps, in a good way....casue not only have their primarchs, the physical perfection of themselves, returned....also their god, it would be a sheer physical injection of inspiration and adrenalin at the same time. Things would change obviously, the Imperium would strengthen majorly. All races except chaos would stand little to no chance against the concentration of physical and spiritual energy that the Emperor and his primarchs emitted.

As for the fight between humanity and chaos, its anyones guess their, the chaos gods would pour their energy into abbadon i suppose, i don't really know, and of course all the demon prince primarchs would return, no doubt totally in fine tune with the gods themselves....it would be the battle to end the galaxy....

But alas, it will never happen, and within good reason too, whilst id love to see the emperor return....he simply cant, it would ruin 40k as we know it, the game would become way too unbalanced, even with the demon primarchs....whats the otha races supposed to do.....
Ork warboss "Nuh, im outs boyz....diz humy god crazy"
lol....it just isnt physical reasonable....Not too mention how much the model would be points and currency wise....lol

Dan.

 

The Emperor, is and has always been the most powerful 'person' if he could be called that in the galaxy. I'm pretty sure i read that it was the Emperors compassion for Horus that stayed his hand until the last straw was broken and he had to kill him...by all means correct me is this is wrong...The emperor wouldn't go on a killing spree and kill all his space marine legions, and all the Imperium. Thats unfathomable, i agree that the primarchs didn't know that it was possible for the emperor to return, for indeed he himself gave the instructions to build the golden throne, it could well be that not even he knows it (just a stab in the dark with a blunt knife)....I think the only people he would seek answers from would be the High Lords of Terra...and even then i doubt he'd slaughter them.

I agree. He wouldn't just wake up and start killing stuff. He WOULD however have to kill off those who would reseist his power (greedy individuals who don't like to give up what they have). That would be the schism. I doubt the marines would resist him, but they are not the majority by far. Since there are about a million marines and trillions of Imperial citizens. It's perfectly plausible that several greedy individuals would lead their misguided populace to resist the Emperor when he comes back.

As for the fight between humanity and chaos, its anyones guess their, the chaos gods would pour their energy into abbadon i suppose, i don't really know, and of course all the demon prince primarchs would return, no doubt totally in fine tune with the gods themselves....it would be the battle to end the galaxy....

It would be a great fight aye? The chaos primarchs getting off their arses and fighting their brothers once more... Of course if the fight took place in the eye of terror, the amount of daemons fighting would increase a thousandfold from the old battle on terra. There are Greater Daemons living within the eye that can mold entire solar systems into whatever they want... I don't even have to go into what the Big Four could do... But then again, The Imperium has the Emperor (who would have to have some master plan to even come close to pulling off a fight inside the eye). It would be the war to end all wars (again... :tongue: )

But alas, it will never happen, and within good reason too, whilst id love to see the emperor return....he simply cant, it would ruin 40k as we know it, the game would become way too unbalanced, even with the demon primarchs....whats the otha races supposed to do.....

Agreed. There are just too many fluff reasons why he wouldn't come back. Let alone that GW would never ever let it happen.

But it would be a cool campaign... Who's in???? 8) :yes:

 

I think that if he were to come back he would continue his master plan that he was working on before the heresy. It was the one that he was working on in the palace vaults that no one ever came out of. I think it was what had the choas gods really scared wasnt it?

 

Sorry mate but you stories wrong. Anyway if the Emperor returned what about all the dead space marines who died. When a SM dies they belive that he will help the Emperor in the final fight against Chaos??

 

but there is no fluff written in the perspective of the Emperor, so therefore you can't say with definite certainty that the Emperor didn't see himself getting nearly killed by Horus and blah blah blah...

Yes there is.. can somone link to the piece about the Emperor's final battle with Horus, because I don't know where it is.

To be brief. The Empeor was not Jesus.. the dead will not rise from the grave just because he wants them to, he can't see the entire scope of the future, though he was precognative in the same way a lot of psykers were. He was a human with god like psychic powers, but he was still limited by what psychic powers can do.

 

The Emperors 'To Do' list.

Hmm. I originally meant to write something funny here, and just starting typing away like it was a logic problem. Sorry.

One thing that is missing here is that fact that way, way back in the fluff its stated that the Emperor is a giant leap forward in the evolutionary path of humanity. Now if we assume that such is the quality of his mind that he hasn't gone totally raving....

It seems to me that his goal has always been to protect humanity until the race accends to his own level and to sheppard them in that direction. The trap that Chaos holds for humanity is the stumbling block beyond which most are either caught in, or fear to rise higher due to the chance of being 'corrupted.' Therefore I feel that he would have bigger fish to fry in the long run than mere physical conquest. That was always an ends to a means.


1.Convince folks that he is indeed the emperor. This would indeed take quite some time due to the size of the galaxy and the aforementioned schisms arising.

2.Solidify his control of the Empire. A long and wideranging goal...Probably start with the Marines, as they still owe fealty directly to him. Good to have them on his side for all the work he has ahead. Keep the custodes around as well, as its always good to have bodyguards...

2a. Go to Mars, oust the Dragon, purge followers of the Dragon and kick people in the ass until they started scientific expirimentation again, rather than mere duplication and reverence for the past. Maybe relay some actual information of his own to help them along.

2b. Reform the Eccleisiarchy. I won't go into this, as I'm sure everyone has different ideas of exactly what this would mean. But I think we can all agree that he's see changes needing to be made. Mankind cannot ascend to the next level if it is stuck in reverence of things that are not actual gods.

2c. Get the Eccleisarchy forces firmly under his thumb, make examples of people who doubt him as being the Emperor. He'd probably have to play up the 'divine' emperor bit for quite a while here, even if he didn't like doing it.

2d. Purge/reform the Inquisition. HARD task, as some of the greatest threats to his rule would be in it. Need to keep it intact, however, as Chaos is still ever present.

2e. Get the High Lords of Terra firmly in hand, or better yet appoint new lords and send the ones in power to 'noble tasks' like attacking the Arch Arsonist of Charandon or whatever. He'd probably run into difficulties if he had them killed unless they directly opposed him.

2f.The Navigator families would be extra important now with the Astronomicon either gone or weakened due to his corporeal presence, so he'd need to make sure of their loyalty and get them breeeding...

2g Make a list of the threats to the Imperium and Mankind and go after them in order of either ease of elimination or of danger. Hard to say which is which here, but I think that the Emperor would find that the big three are Chaos, Necrons and Tyranids. And in that order I think he'd go after the Necron first, the Tyranids second and Chaos third.

Yes the Orks have more numbers, but they will always be around due to the ease of their breeding and you can generally count on them to fight each other. Dark Eldar/Eldar, not big in numbers, sometime allies. Now, there's not too many Necrons active now, but that will soon change, and for that reason their planets should be attacked now before they become fully active. Secondly, the technology to be gained in a full scale war with the Necrons would help with fighting both the Tyranids and (if the necron fluff is accurate) with weapons that would help combat warp intrusions into realspace. The Tyranids need to be attacked with overwhelming force as soon as possible, so that they do not build up a surplus of biomass, and to help convince the (various?) hiveminds that more effeicient pickings are to be had in other galaxies. Flesh that fights is after all, harder to digest that flesh that doesn't. After these threats are dealt with, and only then would the Emperor turn to the threat posed by Chaos. Not because it would be easiest to defeat, but rather the hardest, since it would breed fifth columns in his own forces and is bred into the very genes of humanity. Only with all external threats are defeated, and its own internal strcucture strengthened could Humanity deal with the threat that Chaos poses.


However. The method by which such a threat might be eliminated would not be by outright battle. Even if all the servants of the Chaos Gods were killed, the Gods themselves would be strengthened by the very deaths and passions that such a war would generate.

2h What is required is to raise all humanity to the level of the Emperor. Such a task would require both new technologies on the behalf on the behalf of the Technocrats(Any survivors would not be called Tech priests, such veneration of a machine 'god' degrades humanity), training and shooling of psykers directly by the Emperor ect.

The problem would remain though, that any humans so raised up above their fellows would begin to feel pride(like the primarchs) and might repeat the failures of the Horus Heresy. Other than attempting to raise the capabilities of all humans simultaneously, I don't see any way of achieving this.

 

I sense a lot of people here need to use a Spell Check, I hate to be a cow about spelling but you people really should be able to spell Emperor correctly.
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That aside I doubt the Emperor ever will return to the mortal plane, I think leaving his physical body behind is the next step for him really.

That could make things far harder for the Chaos Gods if the Emperor can oppose them directly, the C'tan and Tyranids though could present a very different challenge.

 

There is a doomsday experience in which the Empy does just that, he passes into the warp and becomes the equivalent of a Chaos god, but it won't happen as long as GW is making money.