Wave Serpent, hands down. Falcons are useless, like I said in the other thread, and while Fire Prisms can be used to destroy tanks, they can potentially miss and are generally much better at taking down infantry of any kind. Which is not to say they are bad at anti-tank by any means, since they can very much be used for that with their long range and S9/10. For my armies the bulk of my anti-tank is made up of Wave Serpents armed with EMLs and sometimes Fire Dragons.

~ Acarna

 

while Fire Prisms can be used to destroy tanks, they can potentially miss and are generally much better at taking down infantry of any kind.

Not arguing about the wave serpent here but...

Whaaa? Fire prisms better at infantry than vehicles??? Are you for real? I've never gotten that impression at all.

 

Really i would think a falcon is a good anti tank. 2 shots with the pulse laser, at 9 strength. Then put an EML, and dont move that turn. With 6 dragons inside just in case.

 

Pulse laser's only strength 8 though.

But yea, it has to be the Fire Prism. That's its job. Waveserpents need to be moving too much to be too reliable at anti tank.

 

Don't you think 6 Fire Dragons in a Falcon with an EML is a little bit overkill?

The trouble with Falcons is that they use up a Heavy Support slot, and the real clincher is that they are not nearly as survivable as Wave Serpents. Really your Heavy Support should be filled with Fire Prisms and Nightspinners, except in 1000pt games where you don't have the room.

~ Acarna

 

Hornets! 4 on order, love the rules.
Forge World - ELDAR HORNET

From the original codex, Wave Serpents, but my group allows FW rules. Hornets are *fantastic*

 

I agree Hornets are super awesome and are also fast attack so you can have Prisms as well. Also in the new Imperial armour book they have moved up to BS4 and gained the aerial assault rule (can move at cruising speed and fire all weapons) - it is more expensive though.

 

I would have them if I had room in my lists for them, however there never seems to be anything that I can really take out, and it's not much use just running 1

~ Acarna

 

Yeah, I find you've gotta build a list around it to really work out. I've proxied 4, each with pulse lasers. 2 squads of 2. They're super expensive, but they absolutely demolish tanks!

 

the hardest hitter isnt even mentioned here in the poll. war walkers. but my vote would be for fire prisms

 

The poll is about vehicles and besides I found that Warwalkers are better when the have all SL. This makes them an light anti-tank killer (trucks,rhinos,etc) but this is miy opinion.

 

And War Walkers are somehow not vehicles? I think you mean 'tanks'.

~ Acarna

 

Well, unsupported by other units I would say the Wave serpent.

Granted support I totally would have gone for the Falcon. Put a seer with guide on that thing and it's pumpin out 3 S8 shots with re-rolls. Thats better than a serpent, and has a better chance to pop an average vehicle than two prisms linking, though I haven't done the math.

 

Fire Prisms are good with a basic strength of 9 (small blast) but are better when in pairs as they have S10 AP1 Twin Linked shot (small blast)

 

Is the combined shoot twin-linked?

 

I said Fire Prism for that reason. The Prism Cannon is the only long range weapon the Eldar have over strength 8. The other high armor options are all close range, and Eldar don't tend to survive at close range unless they're designed to.

 

No. 300 points for 2 prisms with holofields is basically a steal for the versatility and awesomeness they provide. I run 3 whenever I possibly can.

~ Acarna

 

hornets cant even be used in reg. games so until they can i think the point on them is mute. i do agree that when they become official or our new codex comes out i will get some even tho they look kinda ugly ( ill have to convert a viper or sompin.)

 

hornets cant even be used in reg. games

Not necessarily true. Depends on your opponent (or any tournament house rules). To my knowledge their is no hard rule that says you can't use forgeworld. It's all down to where and when you play isn't it.

Anyway - BTT, they're still not as good as prisms!

 

hornets cant even be used in reg. games so until they can i think the point on them is mute. i do agree that when they become official or our new codex comes out i will get some even tho they look kinda ugly ( ill have to convert a viper or sompin.)

 

What do you mean can't be used in 'normal' games? The new IA book specifies which units can be used in WH40K and the Hornet can. If you mean tournaments then you're probably right, but if it's just you and your mates, of course you can. ;-)

 

Yah, you should probably tell your opponent beforehand and show them the rules if they aren't familiar with them but as long as the games aren't hardcore competitive (which I tend not to like playing anyway) you should be absolutely fine.

~ Acarna

 

Well, I suppose when they're twin-linked they're equally good at both. But they're much less likely to completely miss on infantry.

I suppose if we're talking raw points, it depends what kind of infantry. For example, two Fire Prisms twin-linking to kill a unit of Space Marines is likely to be more points value than linking to kill a Predator, however killing a Leman Russ is obviously better than killing a squad of Guardsmen.

~ Acarna

 

Yeah but by the same token this is a poll asking which is the best anti tank vehicle that eldar has and it doesn't even include War Walkers. I'd call that a better anti-tank vehicle than Falcons in the right setup. Not that I would ever use them.

~ Acarna

 

What this all boils down do: IA is fun, it's usually pretty balanced, it's got some wicked cool models, and if your local group doesn't like it, sorry to say, they're boring people!

This. I've never encountered a situation where someone didn't let me use IA models.

~ Acarna

 

Best antitank vehicle is the serpent. that one that carry 5 fire dragons

 

Im surprised this is even close... Prisms win hands down. A strength 10 AP 1 shot? twin linked? BS 4? I mean Come ON people.. its practically auto kill on trukks and raiders, and vs Land raiders and liths and Russes, a Serpent with an EML doesnt have a chance..

Zhu_

 

Im surprised this is even close... Prisms win hands down. A strength 10 AP 1 shot? twin linked? BS 4? I mean Come ON people.. its practically auto kill on trukks and raiders, and vs Land raiders and liths and Russes, a Serpent with an EML doesnt have a chance..

Zhu_

S10, AP shot that requires the dedication of 2 tanks to do so.

 

2 tanks means 2 slots.... but the S10 AP1 twinlinked shot is just so awesome!!!!!!!!! you can always fill the last slot with a Night Spinner (S6 AP-) rending shot..... difficult and dangerous terrain, for 1 turn....

 

Difficult + Dangerous until next time they move (for any reason), not just until the next turn. HUGE difference.

 

If I do take prisims (my group uses FW rules, so I more often use Warp Hunters or Hornets for this role.), I use them as anti-infantry, not AT. Wave Serpents are my AT.

 

Only had a few games with my warp hunter since the apoc2e book came out.. So far it's been very impressive. 12" move, 6"+8" range (6" placement + length of flamer template) means you've got the range and mobility for a guaranteed hit on your target. glance on a 2, pen on a 5 is all you have to roll. Not rolling to hit makes it significantly better than a lance vs av12+ and it has the versatility to be an awesome infantry killer up to and including terminators. Wound on a 2, with no armour and no cover saves.. it's just brutal. If it's a sign of the eldar firepower to come then i'm very much in favour.