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Khorne or Slaanesh Forsaken?

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#1 ·
I'm modifying my Buckeye Battles list for an upcoming tournament. I want to get rid of the knights and bring forsaken instead. I think. Here's my old list:

Daemon Prince of Slaanesh @ 535.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; General; Magic Level 4; Chaos Armour; Daemonic Flight
Charmed Shield
Dragonbane Gem
Soul Feeder
Scaled Skin
Chaos Familiar
Flaming Breath

Exalted Hero of Tzeentch @ 230.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Halberd; Chaos Armour; Shield; Battle Standard; Barding
Talisman of Preservation
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Ironcurse Icon
1 Barded Chaos Steed

Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 185.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Lore of Metal; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Enchanted Shield
Channeling Staff
Hideous Visage

17 Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch @ 334.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Option Qualifier; Chaos Armour; Shield; Standard; Musician
Banner of Swiftness
1 Aspiring Champion

10 Marauder Horsemen of Slaanesh @ 190.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; Flail; Standard; Musician

Chaos Chariot of Khorne @ 120.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne

5 Chaos Warhounds

5 Chaos Warhounds

Chimera @ 275.0 Pts
Flaming Breath; Regenerating Flesh

5 Chaos Knights of Tzeentch @ 260.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Barding; Ensorcelled Weapons; Chaos Armour; Shield;
Standard; Musician
Lichebone Standard

1 Hellcannon @ 210.0 Pts
Now I have a few options, since the next tournament is 2500. I am going to play test the forsaken in place of the knights, but I don't know which mark to give them. Tzeentch would let them be joined by my BSB on horse, which would be nice. But is the mark even worth it? I don't think so. I won't even talk about Nurgle here. That leaves me Khorne or Slaanesh.

My army is fast and slaanesh would definitely keep it that way. But the usual downside to khorne is frenzy baiting, but slaanesh is frenzied too. And hatred can be negated by ASF rerolls. But that glorious phase where I have poison or KB with hatred......

I'm honestly torn, but I think I'm leaning Slaanesh.

Or I can just say F* it and go a 2nd chimera and 2nd chariot.

Anyways, here's what I'm thinking:
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh @ 535.0 Pts
Mark of Slaanesh; General; Magic Level 4; Chaos Armour; Daemonic Flight
Charmed Shield
Dragonbane Gem
Soul Feeder
Scaled Skin
Chaos Familiar
Flaming Breath

Exalted Hero of Tzeentch @ 208.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Chaos Armour; Shield; Battle Standard
Talisman of Preservation
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Ironcurse Icon

Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch @ 185.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Lore of Metal; Magic Level 2; Chaos Armour
Enchanted Shield
Channeling Staff
Hideous Visage

16 Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch @ 317.0 Pts
Mark of Tzeentch; Shield; Standard;
Musician
Banne of Swiftness
Aspiring Champion


Chaos Chariot of Khorne @ 120.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne

5 Chaos Warhounds

5 Chaos Warhounds

Chimera @ 275.0 Pts
Flaming Breath; Regenerating Flesh
Hellcannon @ 210.0 Pts

3 Hellcannon Crew @ [0.0] Pts

18 Forsaken of Khorne @ 378.0 Pts
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy;

10 Hellstriders of Slaanesh @ 210.0 Pts
Spear; Shield; Standard; Musician

Models in Army: 61


Total Army Cost: 2498.0
 
#3 ·
Most of the responses right now are going to be dropping the 12 Forsaken altogether and just running as many Chariots as possible. I don't even know what you expect to gain from swapping the Knights over to Forsaken to be honest. I think that you answer will really determine what mark you choose to take. Slaanesh Forsaken are actually pretty fast - only an inch slower than Knights, and still hit decently hard when they roll a decent number of attacks. The Khorne versions though - they hit quite a bit harder, but still, only really on-par with Knights. So when you get down to it, the biggest consideration for taking Forsaken isn't to save points on Knights - you should be going for a 1:1 in my opinion, sacrificing 1M and a little hitting power for ranks and possibly Steadfast/Disruption etc.
 
#4 ·
I guess if I had to run forsaken it would be in small units of 10 and Khorne because forsaken really are glass hammer & have no command.

Still consider this for Core units with no command:

10 Khorne Forsaken (210)

vs.

1 Khorne Chariot

Letting the forsaken have the charge.

KC: 2.66 wounds + 0.83 wounds

KF Mutations
1. 1.16w
2. 1.66w
3. 1.3w
4. 2.08w
5. 1.25w (vs. 2.3 draw)
6. 1.25w

In even the worst scenario of being charged and rolling regenerate the best you can hope for is a draw, for almost twice the points spent.

Against regular infantry the chariot is going to do more every time with its impact hits and superior stats all-round.
 
#5 ·
Why are you looking to take Forsaken in the first place mate? You don't really need the Core points (just get another chariot) so you could go with something from Special or Rare. A unit of 6 Trolls has the same speed, costs less and puts out more pain than a unit of Forsaken. Sure, stupidity is a problem but with a LD9 General and a BSB you should be fine. Or go for Ogres if you're that worried about Stupidity. They're not as tough as the old Trolls but they're more independent and reliable.
 
#7 ·
I've played Slaanesh Ogres before, but with 12 - they are awesome & very very reliable. I could see them working very well with Slaanesh magic too.
 
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