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Feasibility of Napoleonic-style Imperial Guard?

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#1 ·
For quite a while now I've been trying to find a use for the fantastic Perry Miniatures' Napoleonics range. Some of you might remember Michael and Alan Perry as two prolific GW sculptors from the past. Nobody I know plays any historical wargames, so I'm somewhat considering using figures like these - with a good amount of conversion work - as an Imperial Guard regiment.

It would be heavily influenced by one of my favourite TV series, Sharpe. I'm using you guys as a sounding board to explore how feasible something like this is from a fluff standpoint.

The regiment in question would come from an Imperial world where technology isn't as advanced as somewhere like Cadia. It would be a world located in a relatively isolated part of the Imperium, away from major trade routes or commercial hubs, so would have regular but infrequent contact with other Imperial forces.

A long and proud military tradition is present, with new conscripted regimental foundings occurring every 15 years. It is common for at least one, if not all, men in a household to have served their time in the Imperial Guard. As an officially sanctioned, though remote, regiment they would have access to the Ministorum's resources whilst keeping many of their own traditional equipment.

For example, whilst heavy weaponry such as Autocannons, Heavy Bolters and Grenade Launchers is operated in great numbers, the infantry are known to prefer simple and reliable gunpowder rifles instead of Lasguns. The solid, brutal impact of bullets serve to counter-balance the rate of fire of laser-based weapons. Rare and unstable plasma weaponry is frowned upon and little understood, but melta guns and flamers have been used to some success. Limited supplies of Chimeras and artillery tanks are provided during each founding and these are meticulously maintained and repaired, usually reserved for officers and distinguished platoon commanders to field.

Inquisitorial representatives have been present on the world for as long as anyone can remember, along with a small delegation from the Ecclesiarchy, to maintain and uphold the Imperial Creed. It is considered necessary, even for such a remote world, to ensure it and it's comparitively young armed forces do not stray from the Imperium.

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The army would be characterised by lots of large infantry platoons, heavy weapon squads and a few artillery tanks. It would embody the 'gunline' style of warfare so common at the start of the 19th Century. Infiltrators and scouting veterans would support along with massed Rough Rider charges. There would be a few Chimeras, used by the CCS and PCS as command posts.

All the infantry would have bits such as IG ammo pouches, grenades, imperial eagles and such to tie them in with the game a little more. Would you play against an army like this? Or would you think it too out of place to work?
 
#2 ·
Well of course, go for it! I mean, if GW can produce Praetorians...

As for the fluff, yeah it works. Using a sci-fi counterpart culture IN SPACE is nothing new for 40k.

1. You rarely quit serving the Guard. Once recruited and trained, you'll be shipped off to some distant place and it's extremely unlikely that you will ever see your home again. If you get the opportunity to quit the Guard, it will be after many years of service and you will most likely be offered to settle a new world.

Perhaps it could be a tradition to serve in the PDF instead?

2. Simple and reliable gunpowder weapons you say... well the thing is that the lasgun is the simplest and most reliable gun ever produced. :p It's also a lot more powerful than a projectile weapon. While it is not impossible that some Guard regiments use autoguns instead of lasguns, it is uncommon. Often it's because they don't have the technology to produce lasguns in large numbers.

Look at the Vostroyan lasguns. They look a lot like sci-fi style muskets, so there's no reason really why your world wouldn't use them.

Other than that, go for it!
 
#3 ·
Perhaps it could be a tradition to serve in the PDF instead?
Good idea.

Simple and reliable gunpowder weapons you say... well the thing is that the lasgun is the simplest and most reliable gun ever produced. :p It's also a lot more powerful than a projectile weapon. While it is not impossible that some Guard regiments use autoguns instead of lasguns, it is uncommon. Often it's because they don't have the technology to produce lasguns in large numbers.
Essentially, I'm just trying to justify not having to convert 100+ miniatures to hold lasguns. I'm simply testing the water a little to see how people would react when playing an IG army armed with what are obviously muskets (technically they would be flintlock Bakers). On a remote, low tech world with relatively little Imperial presence beside a few token personnell, it would be far easier to produce such rifles than Lasguns.
 
#4 ·
Sounds great! Those models look very good too. I imagine you'll be using basilisks? When I was reading your idea, I was picturing heavily converted tanks with a 'steam-punk' look. Extra wires and engine bits hanging around as though they don't have the ability to compact their weapon technology.
 
#6 ·
Thanks for your input poodle. I would just like to add, I'm well aware that Lasguns trump flintlock rifles in every sense. In fact, it would make far more sense to actually have Lasguns. But tearing this thread away from fluff slightly, there is the modelling restriction. I am simply not going to be converting a hundred rifles into Lasguns. So what is the answer?
 
#12 ·
Seconding Poodle on the lasgun/musket front. Lasguns are just far more handy on the kind of battlefields that the Guard come across.

And as someone said, look at the Vostoryan lasguns:
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They look reasonably muskety, so you wouldn't have to convert them at all. Just say they're lasguns.

On a practical note, would you be using the army in any tourneys? I think that official GW ones have very strict rules about using non-GW miniatures. It may not be a concern, but just as a warning.
 
#13 ·
On a practical note, would you be using the army in any tourneys? I think that official GW ones have very strict rules about using non-GW miniatures. It may not be a concern, but just as a warning.
No, I don't play in tournaments. It's just a fun modelling project, more than anything.
 
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#18 · (Edited)
Okay I know this is a dead thread but i just have to comment on this. PDF are not supplied by the munitorium and it is the planetary governments responsibility to field, equip and maintain it. The tanith first fought next to bolt action rifle equipped PDF in " guns of tanith". If the planet doesn't make las weapons which many worlds do not, it more than likely makes powder weapons and thus it is cheaper and easier to use them than to have to import las weapons to the planet. So ha "fluff masters" and great conversion idea love to see pics of it.
 
#20 ·
Ooook,

Well time to continue the resurected fluff las war.

There are weapons known as "Laslocks" a lot of lower tec imperial worlds use them, they are essentialy Las versions of flintlock rifles, one shot, small charge time, shot, charge time and so forth, they could be a good option!

They are produced by lower tec worlds with some manufacture ability, its just las rifle tec but with lower rate of fire ability and a slower charge magazing, you could even have "las cartridges" like a battery powerful enough for one shot, "bang" empty las cartridge, re loads, bang!! Lee Enfileds in space!!!

Sooo ummm

"HA, random necro troll" :D
 
#21 · (Edited)
Yeah Yeah 'necro', 'troll' what ev.
Your right las locks are a great option. Though they are described as more like a bolt action weapon with a single charge cartrage than a flint lock.

Im sure they can really look like anything. Las locks typically have a slower fire rate but more power per shot. They are described as operating similar to a long las using a hot shot pack. In 'Traitor General' Hlaine Larkin replaced his long las with a Las lock as his sniper rifle when his power cells wore out.

They could feasibly also use small capacity power cell and a lever action that pulls a single charge into the chamber like a Winchester Repeating Rifle.

They could also work like a Martini-Henry Rifle with a lever action opening the chamber and ejecting the spent cartridge.
 
#23 ·
yea seriously pilot00, when are the guard gonna realize no matter what you call it, a flashlight is a flashlight :giggle:

all jesting aside, this thread didin't need to be necroed, regardless of what he wants to call them, going with calling them some variant of lasgun/laslock works no matter what, also i don't think he wanted them to be a pdf force, so no las technology is pretty much out.

just my take,
-SL
 
#24 ·
I doubt he wanted a PDF force. The Las lock have really only been seen as being used by Choas Excubitors and other occupation forces during the Sabbat Worlds Crusade. That doesnt mean Imperial worlds cant have them. The Vostroyans use las guns made on their world and passed down through the family so Im sure some other world may have a tradition similar using Las Locks.

Yeah this thread was necroed because I have been thinking about doing the same thing with Perry minis.
 
#25 ·
The Las lock have really only been seen as being used by Choas Excubitors and other occupation forces during the Sabbat Worlds Crusade.
This is untrue. Inquisitor's Handbook p.172 describes Laslocks (aka "Blazeguns" or "las-muskets") as common weapon amongst insurgents and renegades who cannot get their hands on proper military-issue weapons. Laslocks are not even massproduced in any patterns.

"Laslocks are usually scratch built or modifications of antique or damaged las rifles brought back into service by scav-workshops and heretek forges. Laslock's jury-rigged capacitors are temperamental things at best, but still potent, firing a more powerfull discharge than that of a standard lasgun."
 
#26 ·
Why do i have the feeling that every one is saying the same thing.

I've fantasized about having a more "historic" looking guard army and these seem like a good start.

Also, who cares what you call it. Say it is a lasgun and be done with it. It is a fictions world. It is what you say it is.